How is the summoner dps?

[Dualgunner]

SMN does have a lot of support but just pointing it out that Contagion is only worth it if you have another caster DPS with you, but there's also some meta with melees going on right now and that Ifrit is stronger than Garuda. Radiant Shield would see no use in fights where it can't reflect damage to extend the physical vulnerability debuff.

You do always have your healers who can benefit from it; though that is a good point. It's also a skill that if the devs molded right, could result in more caster-based comps. Imagine if Embolden worked for all damage types; then a BLM/SMN/RDM/X comp would be favorable in more circumstances because SMN and RDM could ramp up BLM's damage, etc.

When people said SMN is as strong or stronger than SAM I thought it was some sick joke, apparently it is true. I'm impressed how such a change would put SMN from being so low to being so high up. It would need nerfs, sure, but they better be careful of what they nerf. Seriously.

I was pretty shocked when I saw the numbers too. SMN is either challenging or surpassing SAM in every fight...not to mention the rDPS it brings alongside that. They do need to be careful with nerfs, but I don't think a few potency nerfs would be misplaced on some of their filler spells.

Still, they need to do something about BLM and MNK first because both were ignored for a while now.

Black Mage, Monk, and Dark Knight are all hurting pretty bad for buffs. RDM is too but I'm sure many would disagree with me there, as opposed with the former three.

Worth mentioning that the glitch wasn't particularly common knowledge, but people still just looked at the top 10 or so parses and decided RDM was OP. Oh the brilliance of ignorance.

That's a good point. Sorry, I'm used to people pointing at the zenith of RDM versus the average of the other casters, and crying "OP!", and most people who were outdoing the other two casters to my knowledge used that glitch.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

The amount of arguments I had the first 2 weeks of release about RDMs damage was absurd.

[Dualgunner]

I was there for a lot of them. I guess balance achieved?

[dinnertime]

If Embolden worked for all damage types; then a BLM/SMN/RDM/X comp would be favorable in more circumstances because SMN and RDM could ramp up BLM's damage, etc.

I really wish it did. It's so lame that RDM works better with melees instead of fellow casters.

Also not sure about RDM but I guess it needs some looking up if it actually need buffs, and that's for the RDM mains to decide.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

I really wish it did. It's so lame that RDM works better with melees instead of fellow casters.

Also not sure about RDM but I guess it needs some looking up if it actually need buffs, and that's for the RDM mains to decide.

Personally I'd like more damage put into the melee combo, you barely get 400 more potency in about the same span as 2 dualcasts.

[Shiroe]

do not nerf smn, just buff blm .... and fix the ffing "lose Enochian when casting fire 1 under ice- astral"

[Shiroe]

than maybe there will be one day "3 caster meta" parallel to the usual meta

[Dualgunner]

than maybe there will be one day "3 caster meta" parallel to the usual meta

At the moment summoner is even beating Samurai in some fights, not even including rDPS. There isn't a single fight where BLM beats SMN for personal DPS, and unless BLM is buffed to godhood there isn't a reason to take a BLM over a SMN unless there are some potency nerfs to the latter as well.

Three caster meta will also remain a dream as long as RDM's embolden only affects physical and it remains bottom rung to stay a rez dispenser.

[Karshan]

When you think about it, RDM is now behind bard.
To compensate the lesser DPS, we talk about utility, but what of it ? RDM has two major : Verraise and Embolden.

Now that progress is over, Verraise is done. Embolden alone is not a resaon to be 600 DPS behind SMN or BLM. So I'm actually with you on the need to buff RDM now.
MNK, BLM and DRK should be adressed as well.

SMN is getting a power creep and I don't think it's ok

[Shiroe]

mkn with 2 or 3 melee dps in the comp is a monster