How is the summoner dps?

[PrismaticDaybreak]

Stop with the TM you didn't come up with rez dispenser. And we get it, you are utterly derisive towards all things Red Mage, some of us who like it would still like a place beyond progression in clear parties.

[dotsforlife]

SMN is more or less fine in the dps aspect (ok, more than fine lol). I just wish they would make an adjustment to bahamut. Everytime you move it's a dps loss because he will always adjust with you. Unlike your pet which will sit there at your command and continue its job. It'd be nice if they either allowed us to control bahamut or simply have him be stationary during his duration.

[Llugen]

As I said I think twice in this thread but dozens of times in total, the way they decided to fix SMN in 4.1 is lamentable (and mildly hilarious) but still very strong and very useful.

Bahamut is frustrating but usable. If one can't handle using Bahamut then one needs to practice, or consider another job. If they fix it later on, then great, but I would still definitely say the job is much sooner due for a nerf than another quality of life buff.

[Llugen]

Um, the tm is BECAUSE I didn't come up with it, but thanks for the hostility I appreciate it.

Your job is fine. I mained it all throughout Deltascape savage progression and was consistently the highest or second highest damage in my group. Go check my page if you wish.

RDM SHOULD be the weakest of all the casters, that's why it's a red mage. And guess what? It's still largely a better choice to take than a black mage that can't turret.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

It is the weakest caster, but that doesn't mean it should be completely irrelevant for clear parties. I don't care about your parses, sounds like your group needs to pick it up though. Not to mention your feigned ignorance of parses when you pretended you had 4.2k dps and 5 raises the last time anyone talked about red mage here. Please don't make this about BLM, everyone already knows they have issues thanks to the 46 page thread about it.

[Llugen]

Please don't make this about BLM, everyone already knows they have issues thanks to the 46 page thread about it.

...Thanks largely to me, mind you. I'm not telling you to go check the page to dickmeasure (and for the record I didn't "feign ignorance" of anything), I'm telling you to prove to you that the class is fine. Embolden is still plenty strong and desired, red mage is still capable of doing the content. Besides this thread is about SMN and its damage, not RDM or BLM for that matter. I only responded to people talking about the value of Verraise (note: already derailed). Take your beef somewhere else.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

They had plenty of discussion without you too, don't stroke your ego too much. Red Mage is fine for progression. The issue is about afterwards, there's not much reason to take one for clearing or tight tuned fights. There's pretty much only room for Summoner at this point. Embolden isn't that strong, it's decent and wouldn't tip the scales now between picking SMN or RDM

[Llugen]

I'm not stroking my ego, I don't need to stroke my ego to some random dude on the forum lol, I'm just responding to what you're saying.

And yes Embolden appears "weak" now because they overbuffed Devotion. It's like SE's favorite thing to do. This is part of what I am getting at when I say SMN damage is insanely strong.

Also there is a difference between "not much reason to take it" and "it is legitimately bad or poorly designed" (see also: BLM). There is always going to be a meta, but any job(s) can do any content, save for maybe Unending Coil right this moment. It offers quite a bit. If you want to play RDM, no one is going to stop you.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

Devotion contributes less to party DPS than Embolden, it's not that strong either. The difference being the previous version was so hilariously weak that now it looks strong.

[Llugen]

Devotion alone contributes less but coupled with Radiant Shield it's pretty much on par. This is something Jesh was saying even BEFORE the Devotion fix, that the total difference between Radiant Shield (when considering all of its uptime) and Embolden was already fairly small.