Black Mage

[zuzu-bq]

While TC refreshing stacks would be kinda cool, I wouldn't want to depend on such an unreliable system to refresh. Especially not with TC procs being on such a short timer currently.

You wouldn't need to rely on it though? You'll still depend on Fire and Tier III spells as your best refreshers. Actually, the current best stack refresher is a Firestarter which is a random proc so why would TC be unreliable? Specially when Sharping Thunder tends to be a bigger damage gain.

Honestly the scatche proposal of extending AF/UI and extending procs to 30 sec would probably serve much better AND actually would ease some problems on the lower level, which is what SE really wants to do

Scathe refreshing would solve no problem, unless you go Astral Fire with full MP by getting the perfect MP tick you can't even Scathe without trading it for a Fire IV. By itself this would change nothing, if this happens and MP ticks issues are fixed or gone entirely it would be good. Actually, fixing MP ticks related problems would make Scathe already useful even without refreshing stacks.

[Kabooa]

You wouldn't need to rely on it though? You'll still depend on Fire and Tier III spells as your best refreshers. Actually, the current best stack refresher is a Firestarter which is a random proc so why would TC be unreliable? Specially when Sharping Thunder tends to be a bigger damage gain.

It locks Black Mage's damage ceiling behind procs then. A Thundercloud is an extra F4 in a phase if it also refreshes AF. Therefore any time you don't get a Thundercloud proc in AF you're losing damage, and that sucks. It puts more weight in Thundercloud, and while TCloud itself might be an RNG damage boost, it's ability to enable the Black Mage is limited enough where it feels like a bonus instead of feeling mandatory.

If you do everything right, and you still lose out, that's not a terribly rewarding system. It also removes some level of thought from Black Mage's play and that's the bigger sin of it in my opinion.

[OgruMogru]

If you do everything right, and you still lose out, that's not a terribly rewarding system. It also removes some level of thought from Black Mage's play and that's the bigger sin of it in my opinion.

This 100% ..

[Remedi]

Scathe refreshing would solve no problem, unless you go Astral Fire with full MP by getting the perfect MP tick you can't even Scathe without trading it for a Fire IV. By itself this would change nothing, if this happens and MP ticks issues are fixed or gone entirely it would be good. Actually, fixing MP ticks related problems would make Scathe already useful even without refreshing stacks.

I would in fact add a 0 MP cost to scathe too

Let's face it, scathe is a deadweight atm, what he was meant to do was lost to power creep