Restrict Personal Houses to 1 Per Server!

[Siniztor]

One aspect of this housing issue we can all agree on is that SE needs to restrict personal houses to only one per server.

No stop right there you do not speak for me or know what i agree with and in this case you are wrong i don't not agree with this. I payed $18 over a year ago to move to a low pop server to own housing for over a year 200-400 plot sat empty..yes i own 3 houses and have for a year. i play my 3 alts every week they all have differant taste.
Every person who is crying they want a house could of had a house easy prior to free transfer by paying to move to a low pop server but they chose friends or server over housing i paid and picked housing. The whole ward thing on mathus guess what no one cared till free transfer there was still plenty of free lots there.. My server had 218 open plots at rock bottom prices the day of free transfers.

I pay extra for 8 chars. my 8 chars should have all the rights the person paying for 1 char. If they wanna change the rules now fine so be it. but you cant take away the houses people worked hard for who broke no rules that is not fair just because people took a free ride and didnt get a house...The problem isnt the small handfull that own more then one house most of us on low pop servers Its thers only 2880 houses on all worlds where the population is 6k+ not counting free companys..

Do you 100% honestly think its right to take way from people who broke no rules just to give to people in my case who took a free ride to my server?? Everyone who wanted a house on my server has one hell smalls were 1.5 mil lol med 8 mil.

Bewared if they start taking rights away from what you pay extra for it wont stop here...Next will be retainers John doe is crashing the market so lets make it so only the 2 retainers thru storys can sell items

Bottom line they need more wards and a ton of them other games do it and they sure have the money, figure out there monthly income from how many subs they say they have and lets just use the base subcription price..thats a ton of money a month

[Penthea]

No stop right there you do not speak for me or know what i agree with and in this case you are wrong i don't not agree with this. I payed $18 over a year ago to move to a low pop server to own housing for over a year 200-400 plot sat empty..yes i own 3 houses and play my 3 alts every week they all have differant taste.

Every person who is crying they want a house could of had a house easy prior to free transfer by paying to move to a low pop server but they chose friends or server over housing i paid and picked housing. The whole ward thing on mathus guess what no one cared till free transfer there was still plenty of free lots there.. My server had 218 open plots at rock bottom prices the day of free transfers

Ideally no one should have to pay real money to get access to a house other than paying their sub to play the game. Furthermore most players come to the game not knowing about the specifics about housing, and by the time they know enough they have already invested loads of time in their character and their social circle. The fact that housing is often so cut-throat that players have to choose between their friends and a house just speaks volumes as to how incredibly flawed the system is.

I could understand your argument if you had a personal house and a fc house on one character, I myself am in this position. But you also possess houses on alts. This game is literally designed for you to be able to do everything on one character, and does literally nothing to encourage playing alts. You can't even mail your alts. You can even choose a sub payment for only one character per server. Yes you paid for the houses but you having them on alts is you taking advantage of an oversight, not an intended feature of the housing system.

You can argue about it until your face is blue, but the fact remains that everyone knows SE have designed the game so that you can do everything on one character, so logically all your housing should be on one character too.

[Siniztor]

You can argue about it until your face is blue, but the fact remains that everyone knows SE have designed the game so that you can do everything on one character, so logically all your housing should be on one character too.

if there was only 1 sub plan that be fine but there is 2 and now your saying sub plan B dose not have the same rights as sub plan A. Sub plan A has 1 char you make it you have all the rights, Sub plan B you can make 8 chars but only 1 can own a house the rest have to be tied to it. My alts maybe dont want nothing to do with my main or my circle of friends from my main maybe its a ghost who only plays with certain people... It comes down to we pay extra money for more chars who all should have the same rights as the person who pays for 1..


Like i said housing up to free transfer. Housing came down to making a chose. if you wanted it pay and move to a low pop server or stay with your friends..i know many people who payed to get in balmug then took free transfers to mathus just to scream n cry no houses lol when they left a server the first time that had houses

[Penthea]

if there was only 1 sub plan that be fine but there is 2 and now your saying sub plan B dose not have the same rights as sub plan A.

Actually no because if I had any say in it I would make it so all characters on the same server would have access to the personal house.

I can certainly understand the desire for housing on multiple or even all characters. It's a damn shame we can't even add our alts to our friends list, because I would have done it already so my sweet lala can also enjoy the benefits of a house.

[Almagnus1]

I pay extra for 8 chars. my 8 chars should have all the rights the person paying for 1 char.

You know what, I have that same sub too, and I STRONGLY disagree with your selfish stance.

IMO, all accounts should have exactly one personal house per server. Any more is an abuse of the system.

If they wanna change the rules now fine so be it. but you cant take away the houses people worked hard for who broke no rules that is not fair just because people took a free ride and didnt get a house...

No, SE should take action to correct their mistake, and if you get screwed in the process, so be it.

You're part of the problem here, NOT the solution.

[Siniztor]

You know what, I have that same sub too, and I STRONGLY disagree with your selfish stance.

IMO, all accounts should have exactly one personal house per server. Any more is an abuse of the system.



No, SE should take action to correct their mistake, and if you get screwed in the process, so be it.

You're part of the problem here, NOT the solution.

It is not abuse of the system lol that so funny.. i didn't bend any rules use any loop holes to get my houses..In fact i followed the rules i leveled my alts up to 50 beat the story (not required but i did) leveled my grand company and bought them deco each house to max items.
now my server as i sat with my houses had any where from 200-400 at the peek empty plots after i had mine for over a year.. no one was hurting for houses till the "free riders" came in with there free transfers..in less then 48 hours 218 (yes i counted them in all 3 wards the night before) houses sold due to free transfers and we got q's to login yea us.. im not part of any problem i followed the rules heck i even paid real life cash to move to a place to have houses SE took my money for sure..I didnt take a free ride in hopes of gettin a house.

The only ones that are the problem are the people who think for some reason its fair to punish those who did nothing wrong and take from.. i pay my sub just like you not my fault your on a higher pop server and didnt move pre free rides for a house cause we had plenty of houses for you

Now if they do indeed change it to one house per account so be it, but rightfully you cant punish people who did nothing wrong we followed the rules set in front of us. If in any way we broke a rule i could see it but i didn't break any rules to get my houses

I took away from no one there was plenty of houses open untill SE got enough money form all those transfers into balmug and had to close it lol you want talk about greed talk about SE closing char creation yet allowing thousands of people to transfer in via paying to the point they had to come up with this free transfer junk

[Almagnus1]

The only ones that are the problem are the people who think for some reason its fair to punish those who did nothing wrong and take from.. i pay my sub just like you not my fault your on a higher pop server and didnt move pre free rides for a house cause we had plenty of houses for you

Yeah, you know how many times I've heard that "You don't pay my sub" from healers that don't DPS? Doesn't fly for an excuse there, won't fly here. Especially when we both have the same sub type.

As much as you want to try and talk your way out of it, you are exploiting a SE screw up in the housing system that never should have allowed a single account to have more than one personal house on any given server.

Now if they do indeed change it to one house per account so be it, but rightfully you cant punish people who did nothing wrong we followed the rules set in front of us.

When the rules are fundamentally broken, the rules need to change. Players need a grace period to adapt to them, but everyone should be forced onto the new system.

That includes having all excess personal houses stripped from the player if they do not willingly release them before SE forces the issue.

[Siniztor]

Yeah, you know how many times I've heard that "You don't pay my sub" from healers that don't DPS? Doesn't fly for an excuse there, won't fly here. Especially when we both have the same sub type.

As much as you want to try and talk your way out of it, you are exploiting a SE screw up in the housing system that never should have allowed a single account to have more than one personal house on any given server.



When the rules are fundamentally broken, the rules need to change..

Im sorry but that is your opinion..The FACT is as it stands right now the rules state as long as you meet the requirments you can buy a house with alts. The FACTS are i followed rules set in front of me i did nothing wrong i did not explot in any way shape or form.. you may think SEs rule is broken and that is fine but just cause YOU THINK that dose not equal me or anyone else breaking the tos and exploting in any way..

As ive said many times before im fine if they wanna change the rules now to one per account. but you cant punish those who didntt break your rules we followed your rules and did nothing wrong. takeing away from people who broke no rules id wrong

[Almagnus1]

As ive said many times before im fine if they wanna change the rules now to one per account. but you cant punish those who didntt break your rules we followed your rules and did nothing wrong. takeing away from people who broke no rules id wrong

SE should change the rules on housing.

However, if they change the rules to disallow acquiring more personal properties if you already have one personal property, SE needs to make that change retroactive or it solves nothing.

IMO SE needs to deal with the land barons and house flipping market by any means necessary. Anything less will never resolve the housing issues, and only cause more contention in the player base. There is very much a case where it's better to lose a few fingers than the whole hand.

[worldofneil]

Clearly there's a lot of personal opinions here, but whether people like it or not (quite clearly not in some cases), SE sells a subscription plan that allows players to have up to 8 characters. Yes you only need 1 character, but it is a fact that they sell an 8-character package and each of those characters has the same rights/abilities. If someone wants to spend their time and effort to level those characters to get a house, they can. If SE didn't want players to use other characters to buy houses they could have put that in. Should they have? Maybe, they didn't.

Also SE have made multiple major changes to the housing and at no point have they tried to place restrictions on how many characters can own property:

Initial FC housing: 2.1
Personal housing: 2.38
Subdivisions: 2.4
Wards 9-12 (and subdivisions): 3.3
Shirogane: 4.1

Despite people saying that players are using the system in ways that weren't intended, given the amount of housing updates where SE *hasn't* changed things, clearly it *IS* working as they intended.

If you look at any of the XIV subscription information SE has published, there are no distinctions at all between the first character and the additional seven. They all have the same rights/privileges. Because no restrictions are made, it's not unreasonable for someone to want to use their subscription to get maximum value out of it and clearly SE recognises this.

If they want to change it to only one house per service account I have no problem with that, but they need to grandfather in any existing houses. I don't personally think it'll make much difference though as I don't believe there's not many people with multiple houses, but we can only speculate, only SE knows those figures.

But even if they were to restrict personal houses to 1 per service account/per server, it would just drive people who want multiple houses to making single character FCs instead which are not so easy to restrict. As everyone likely knows, FC houses are "owned" by whoever is currently the leader of the free company and this can change. Either because someone willingly needed to promote someone (taking a break, putting someone else in charge?) or it happens involuntarily where the leader is offline for 35-days and it jumps to the next active person on the hierarchy. To restrict this would require changing parts of how FCs actually work right now.

And if you start requiring a minimum membership amount for FCs, you penalise actual very small FCs (2-3 friends) and the "fake" FCs people would just get their friends to create an alt, stick it in their FC and forget about it.

The only real solution here seems to be that we need considerably more wards so that there is more supply than demand.