Please Buff Tenacity So Tanks Actually Want To Use Tank Stance

[ManuelBravo]

@ManuelBravo: I created an alt on a preferred server and have been leveling that. I have been tanking since 2.0 beta (if you haven't gathered that I'm a beta player from my join date) and gradually stopped because I don't like how it's designed. I've experienced it and judged it at 50, and I've done so again at 60, and finally decided to main a DPS instead for 4.x and try out healing on the side.

So in other words on and off, even though changes have been made you just start all over. This why I had mentioned if you have an alternate. Since new system was implemented most people freak out and not realize that the changes were not that big of a deal just removal of certain actions ( less likely used ) implementation of visuals to make things easier ( if people take the time to learn them ) and role sharing. Tenancy attribute was a great addition for the tank role if people try to understand more on how it works. The only reason I say this being I've been legacy myself and haven't stop playing it, been through all changes, I know certain things yes they could be improved in one way or another that is how SE got here so far based on player feed back. If you know the basics for tanking or any other job is a matter of practicing with the tools they have. Some players do better out of tank stance do to difficulty level only makes it a waste, are over confident, and healers don't speak up that they are making their job harder. It's sad seeing people who think they can tank with out tank stance and only make the run unbearable or make it harder on the healer and blame them. UNLESS people speak up to them / or constantly proof that they are having tank enmity problems they won't change stance. People stay quiet to avoid having the tank leave. That isn't a Tenacity issue that is more of a player play style issue. I play tank as a second type of role and have really no mayor issue, lower content swap between them based on group. Newer content for the most part use tank stance. If anything DRK is the only job that is missing the most love compared to PLD and WAR. With the exception of PvP it's pretty nice system compared to the old one.

[Hruodig]

Lets be honest here, bosses like shinryu EX have worked great to put tanks back in their tank stance. Even the enrage worked out great. The only reason a tank might want to slip out of tank stance is to skip one of the ahk mourns.

I have no clue what you're talking about lol. Only time I was in tank stance for my first shinryu clear was on pull, and during second add spawn to pick up the other large dragon (for no aggro memes). Everything is perfectly mitigate-able in that fight outside tank stance.

[Shinkyo]

Tank stance isn’t really the problem.
It’s our dps stance that’s too strong.
Tank stance is high cost low reward, dps stance is low cost high reward.

I'd be very supportive to nerfing our dps stance in both enmity and survivability.
Make it like blood 4 blood with increased damage taken, reduce our hp pool to dps class level, reduce healing received, any that would make it a meaningful decision to go into dps stance.

[Mycow8me]

I have no clue what you're talking about lol. Only time I was in tank stance for my first shinryu clear was on pull, and during second add spawn to pick up the other large dragon (for no aggro memes). Everything is perfectly mitigate-able in that fight outside tank stance.

The fact that our DPS isn't so important that we have to be in DPS stance as much as possible the whole fight? Shinryu EX has an enrage that doesn't start till low HP% instead of from first pull... A tank can sit in tank stance to lower healer burden or just play in tank stance for once.

[Hruodig]

The fact that our DPS isn't so important that we have to be in DPS stance as much as possible the whole fight? Shinryu EX has an enrage that doesn't start till low HP% instead of from first pull... A tank can sit in tank stance to lower healer burden or just play in tank stance for once.

Don't play as well as you could just because you don't have to? And by the way, higher dps in shinryu is fantastic. Let's you skip phases very easily. I never saw divebomb once while learning that fight.

[Mycow8me]

Don't play as well as you could just because you don't have to? And by the way, higher dps in shinryu is fantastic. Let's you skip phases very easily. I never saw divebomb once while learning that fight.

Yes, lets go straight to the elitest attitude. The Point of this thread from what I gathered was being able to play in tank stance. I noted shinryu allows it the best currently due to the way its enrage works. You want to do your best and push yourself go for it. Phase skipping and doing your best is irrelevant as long as you clear, so is phase pushing. You want speedruns or w/e then do what you want.

[Hruodig]

Yes, lets go straight to the elitest attitude. The Point of this thread from what I gathered was being able to play in tank stance. I noted shinryu allows it the best currently due to the way its enrage works. You want to do your best and push yourself go for it. Phase skipping and doing your best is irrelevant as long as you clear, so is phase pushing. You want speedruns or w/e then do what you want.

What exactly is elitist about wanting people to play to the best of their abilities? This thread was created under an incorrect assumption in the first place-that buffing tenacity would make people spend more time in tank stance, when it'd actually be the opposite. Therefore I don't really care about the thread itself, I just wanted to point out that there's absolutely nothing about shinryu ex that *encourages* playing in tank stance.

[Mycow8me]

What exactly is elitist about wanting people to play to the best of their abilities? This thread was created under an incorrect assumption in the first place-that buffing tenacity would make people spend more time in tank stance, when it'd actually be the opposite. Therefore I don't really care about the thread itself, I just wanted to point out that there's absolutely nothing about shinryu ex that *encourages* playing in tank stance.

Not having to worry so much about dps untill enrage begins significantly encourages me to spend more time if not full time in tank stance, or at least until I'm confident a group I'm in can keep me alive without leaving me wondering if I'd survived something that killed me if I was in tank stance. The problem is not wanting people to play to the best of their abilities, its the assumption that everyone can play as well as you can in deliverance and roll with a group that can phase skip.

[Hruodig]

Not having to worry so much about dps untill enrage begins significantly encourages me to spend more time if not full time in tank stance, or at least until I'm confident a group I'm in can keep me alive without leaving me wondering if I'd survived something that killed me if I was in tank stance. The problem is not wanting people to play to the best of their abilities, its the assumption that everyone can play as well as you can in deliverance and roll with a group that can phase skip.

But...dps is something that *everyone* is always worrying about. It's how the game works, you get the boss to 0 hp, you win. The faster you do that, the better. In shinryu's case, you can skip a significant amount of mechanics with good raid dps, thus ensuring less mechanics for people to potentially mess up and die to, thus lowering group dps even more. It's a net gain. But the catch is that you don't learn how to do that until you try. If you spend all your time in tank stance and get used to that extra passive mitigation/hp, then *of course* you're probably gonna die when you try to take it off, because you don't know when you need to use extra mitigation to help your healers out. Have no fear.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Watch they will buff Shinryu EX to have a unique enrage if you try to push phase...