Revelations from Patch 4.1

[ObsidianFire]

Revelations/Speculations

MSQ

Well, reports of Thoderic's madness were not exaggerated. Loved seeing the Transformation buff/debuff on all the monsters in Skalla and how the boss death cutscene was done. If that's the kind of stuff that was going on... yeah... I can see some people thinking any government, even an Garlean one, is better then his.

Thank goodness it was Krile that Fordola's Resonance was based off of. Can you imagine if it was the WoLs? And if Fordola's Resonance was based of Krile's, whose was Zenos' based off of? We've potentially got two people with the Echo running around and we have no idea who they are. Or... the Asicans have the Echo. And screwing with the Garleans by giving them a really messed up way to manipulate aether is right up their ally. And they'd definitely be the ones who would know the Echo can control primals (the boss in the Stone Vigil taken up to eleven?).

I feel like the reason Arenvald gets where Fordola is coming from (at least a little) is going to be overlooked by a lot of people in-universe. If Fordola and Arenvald's past is anything to go by, the Ala Mhigans have a bad track record of dealing with people who are connected with the Garleans even if they're the ones who didn't decide to have that connection. As far as I can tell, Fordola doesn't like the Garleans or the Ala Mighgans, but she went with the Garleans because they were winning at the time. Arenvald says that he isn't going to stay in Ala Mihgo either because he's got really bad memories of it. And they're not the only NPCs who have this problem with the Ala Mhigans. In any case, nothing has been said about what is going to happen to people who were stuck in the middle, and I get the feeling that's going to come up again in later patches.

One of the things that's bothered me about Ifrit and now Lakshmi is that it seems their followers can somehow temper people without the primals themselves being there. The Scions anyway act like this is how the Qalyana got people to speak up for them, but... I don't know, it's always rubbed me the wrong way. Unless I'm missing something maybe...

Everything with Nanamo is gold. I especially like how she doesn't call on the Scions for help/adivice. Instead she calls on us. We've come a long way since ARR, that's for sure.

I really can't tell anything about Yotsuyo. I can see it being amnesia, I can see her faking it, I can see it being a bit of both (remembering things with no context). What I do know is that Gosetsu doesn't think she's a threat to him. And I find that very foolish of him.

Same thing goes for the Garlean scene. I don't know who it is listening in, and I don't know what they're upset about. For all I know, they're annoyed that the Garleans don't think the Alliance really offed Zenos and think the Garleans are setting themselves up to underestimate the Alliance and WoL.

Ivalice

Not much to comment on since I've never played FFXII or Tactics. Which I should probably fix. That said, it is nice to get some in-game confirmation that Varis is shaping up to be a different kind of Emporer then Solus was, even to his own people. Also, if you look closely in the cutscenes, Jenomis (Arazlam) has the third Garlean eye. So if Orran was his ancestor, what race was Orran (and everyone else involved with The War of the Lions)?

Every time I see auracite, I think back to what Unukalhai told us about it. I'm wondering if he'll show up by the end of the raid series, if simply to yell at a bunch of people about what overusing it can lead to. I'd bring popcorn.

[Mysterysword]

About primal tempering: It's a simple process; you just bathe the victim in the primal's aether. You don't need the primal itself to be there. What the beast tribes do, is save samples of their primal's aether, so they can still temper people without a full-blown summoning. This has also been seen with the Sahagins (a beast tribe daily quest involves rescuing some prisoners who were being dunked in Leviathan's aether) and the Sylphs (those things emitting gas in the Sylphlands, on the world map, are actually pumping Ramuh's aether into the air. Anyone without the Echo cannot stay for too long around those spots.).

Xelphatol also showed that it's possible for a primal to be summoned only momentarily, so that's how the beast tribes get their primal aether: summon while we're not looking, with only a small supply of crystals.

[Vulcwen]

Revelations/Speculations

MSQ ...

So, about the MSQ:

Well.. it being Krile's Echo actually made Fordola quite powerful.. Krile isn't a fighter, but Fordola is, so that allowed Fordola to pull off those dodge moves.
The WoL's Echo so far seems like a jack of all trades kind of thing, which allows the WoL to learn about anything quickly they put their minds on, but doesn't give quick immediate power.. it needs time to grow.

I'm mostly happy that it's implied that Krile has not come to any physical (aetherial) harm, and likely still possesses her Echo. What Zenos' Echo template is, is a mystery, but I'd not be surprised if it's an Ascian (given that the Ascian Echo is attuned to allow possession/fusion).

About tempering.. I wrote about the same time as Mysterysword explained in the previous post, so not gonna duplicate that.

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MSQ

Glad I'm not the only one distracted by Gosetsu's calmness. You'd think after getting shot and having a building fall on top, atleast he would have tied her up. There's something more than amnesia or faking. Not from Tsuyu's perspective but Gosetsu's. I mean even with amnesia, she would need to be tied/watched for her own safety wandering on her own instead of giving sweetbread gils. Bringing her to Hien makes me think they have some history before Doma Castle event.

Many shows character growth which make this patch great. My favorite part is Nanamo and Raubahn. I hope she learns to be more flexible in public not as Lady Lilira, or without Raubahn's counsel. Especially now she knows how to pull Monetarists strings. The rest others have said it in this thread, looking forward what they unfold.

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[Cilia]

Fordola

Fordola now stands at the beginning of the path to atonement. Not redemption, atonement. She has done horrible things to many people, and thanks to her Resonant Echo is being forced to feel the pain and sorrow she's inflicted on them. That, I think, is punishment enough. Even if others do forgive her someday for what she did, that is more about them than Fordola. That is about them finding it in their hearts to let go of their animosity towards her.

What's more important is that, knowing and understanding how much she's hurt others, Fordola may never forgive herself. She will never find personal retribution... but that doesn't mean her life has to end. Fordola could always fight on for others, unbroken and undaunted, just like the Warrior of Light... for her, that would be true atonement. Not death. This is why I say she has taken the first steps on the path of atonement... and that path does not end except at the cost of one's life.

Erm. Throwing rocks at children because their parents turned their backs on your homeland is not cool. Neither is dragging people out of their homes and beating them to death in the street, though. I don't think it's fair to blame that entirely on Zenos, either... Gaius was probably responsible for some of it. We now also know that Fordola joined the Imperial army of her own free will to avenge her father, and was not simply indoctrinated from infancy.

Yotsuyu

[Yo]Tsuyu sits at an interesting predicament. If she really has retrograde amnesia, what should be done with her? What if her memories come back? How responsible is Tsuyu for Yotsuyu's crimes? What if she really is just faking it?

... I don't think she's faking it. One of the themes of Stormblood seems to be how people are products of their environment, and having [Yo]Tsuyu reset to tabula rasa would be an excellent way to continue this. It's a second chance, so to speak, for both Doma to do right by her and for Tsuyu to make her own life unburdened by the pain that shaped Yotsuyu. Her memory may come back and she may retain subconscious memories of it all... but I'm trying to think positive and see it as a second chance.

Tsuyu's past may be a part of her, but it is not who she is today. As long as she does not return to being Yotsuyu, I will treat her as a different person.

... unless she is faking it, in which imprison or execute her.

[Anonymoose]

Just to provide proper citation for the tweet going around:

@YasumiMatsuno 2017/10/11

誤情報を拡散されると困るので記しておく。
It is troublesome to dispel misinformation, so I will write this down:

「FFTのその後のストーリー」じゃないよ！
It is not a "story that takes place after Final Fantasy Tactics"!

14時間生放送で語ったとおり、FF14というテーマパーク内にイヴァリースをもってきたらというコンセプト！　続編でもなんでもない！
As I said during the 14-Hour Broadcast, our concept is bringing an Ivalice attraction into the theme park we call Final Fantasy XIV. IT'S NOT A SEQUEL!

バーロー！w
Ya dolts! LOL

#FF14 #リターントゥイヴァリース
#FF14 #ReturnToIvalice

Welcome to my world, Matsuno-san! [slides a beer down the bar]

[Mieck]

Yotsuyu

(Yo)Tsuyu stuff

All good points. My feeling is that if this is genuine memory loss, and that she has reverted to an age before her family life fell apart, then she will be used as a vehicle to explore how fair/just/vengeful both Hien and the wider Doman community can be.

If she is faking it, then she better have a flipping good plan up her sleeve...

[Mysterysword]

It is troublesome to dispel misinformation

I'm glad he gets it.

I don't understand people who want FF XIV to be a different game and setting. Look at all the histories and different cultures we see on Hydaelyn. You want to throw it all away just to focus on a setting taken from another game? Why?

[Grayve]

Why are people dropping the 'Yo' from Yotsuyu? Is that some sort of cutesy short version of her name to represent her child like personality now? Like a baby name?

Also, I loved J'dyalani calling for Baut during the solo trial. So nice to see a nod to their relationship in the MSQ!

[Waliel]

Blame Gosetsu for calling her Tsuyu.