Quit trying to turn FFXIV into Wow, peeps

[KisaiTenshi]

Isn’t that why most, if not all, WoW clones failed? Because they were trying to be like WoW? Quit it.

Nah, most WoW clones failed, failed for the same reasons any other clone game fails. People recognize the lack of originality in some aspect (or too many aspects) of the game and thus go "If I wanted to play WoW, I'd play WoW"

Just look at the inventory style of every CRPG and MMORPG, and you'll notice that every MMORPG adapted the "prefix - object - suffix" color coding and background color, and dye colors in some cases as everyone else. In some cases this makes sense because it's less jarring for players who switch games.

In other cases, technical similarities like the Party arrangement, loot system and choreography combat mechanics has become kinda a given. Great artists steal, as they say.

But you can't just take the lore, monsters or even gear from one game and dump it in another and go "look mine's better", that's just not how it works. Hence when people suggest adapting something from another MMORPG, you can't just copy it.

Every game out there tries to out-WoW WoW, and most fail primarily because they are unable to curb player/bot abuse early on, and thus the game gets a bad reputation, and once you combine that bad reputation with cookie-cutter clone feeling, people will just drop the game.

My suggestion to any wanna-be MMORPG developer. If you want to develop the next uncheatable game everyone wants to play, have every player submit a spit sample and give them a unique character based on a small appearance subset of their DNA. Bot problem solved, as you will never be able to just create a new character. (Currently you can approximate birth sex, hair color, eye color , some facial features and approximate height/breast-size from spit-DNA tests https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Appearance .) The player could "turn off" some SNP's if it's not to their liking, but otherwise each player will never be identical.

[Miste]

Quit trying to turn this into WoW. What WoW is doing made them successful…it’s not gonna make FFXIV successful…in fact, it’s probably gonna piss off some players.

To be fair there are some things that WoW simply does better than FFXIV. It doesn't make FFXIV a bad game at all and I still 100% prefer FFXIV over WoW, but there are some things that would be cool if they added to this game.

Like account shared achievements/mounts/minions etc. Very alt friendly and I would appreciate more alt friendly things in this game. Maybe like actually being able to share your private house with your own alts lol

They also have a glamour log where if you get the item once it adds it to your glamour lists and you no longer have to hold onto the gear piece anymore freeing up space.

Obviously server space is likely a problem for FFXIV so maybe they cannot do these things yet, but eventually would be nice.

[KaivaC]

Don't get me wrong...FFXIV does have its flaws. However...rather than implementing something WoW does, whatever the issue is can be fixed in different ways. Naturally, that is risky...and on some points, I agree that taking inspiration from other games would be a good idea...but don't just stop there because WoW is having success with it. I don't want stuff that WoW has just because it works better, I want stuff that is uniquely FF and works. Not like that mess with the Diadem. Adventurer Squadrons, I feel is a good start. So was PoTD when that was introduced.

[JediFirefly]

I would truly do cartwheels if they would introduce a glamour log system like WoW uses. I have one retainer who has nothing but glamour gear

[Vahlnir]

So was PoTD when that was introduced.

PotD is basically a copy > paste version of Nyzul Isle from XI, just saying. Not "unique", technically speaking, though they were smart to borrow from their prior MMO. They could, and should, look to XI more often imo. Not everything there would work in XIV (that's how 1.0 failed), but a few ideas here and there would do XIV a bit of good.

[Dark-Saviour]

PotD is basically a copy > paste version of Nyzul Isle from XI, just saying. Not "unique", technically speaking...

Indeed. And I'm pretty sure roguelike-style missions have appeared in a number of other games as well (Door to Subspace in PSU comes to mind), so yeah, that definitely isn't an 'original' thing for XIV.

That said, if an idea is a good idea, by all means, copy it. I'd love the glamour and Dye systems from GW2 to get implemented in FFXIV (without the cash-shop pall that hangs over them, granted). Sure FFXIV could do something different on these fronts, but the question is always whether they do something different because it adds more value or if they're just being different for the sake of being different. Doing the latter doesn't tend to end well and is likely to result in systems that aren't intuitive, scalable, or particularly sane.

[Pence]

FFXIV is currently Vastly Superior than World of Warcraft(I am an Ex-Hardcore WoW Player).
If Yoshi-P wants some inspiration he better look to others games.Not Warcraft.Or at least look at Warcraft Before Cataclysm.
There are many games out there with Fantastic Ideas.
Wildstar,ESO,Tera,RIFT all those games have something unique to offer.
You dont need to copy paste their ideas but you can find a wonderful way to bring them to the FFXIV lore.

Gee, I wish I had said 'hope Yoshi continues drawing inspiration and learning from not only WoW, but every game on the market - be it a failure or success.'

XIV does a lot of things right, but calling it 'vastly superior' to WoW is laughable. Both games have amazing content, and horrible content. But neither is superior to the other.

[Zojha]

We'd have a lot of very bad cars if every producer tried to re-invent the wheel first.

You always need to take a look at the competition and see what they're doing well, why it's doing well and whether it's possible to copy that success. That doesn't just include WoW, but also ESO, Black Desert, GW2, Secret World, FFXI, EQ... you name it! Even single-player games might have great features that could make for a neat addition. Many of them might already have efficient solutions to problems you are facing right now.

Being "unique" is not as important as being "good". And most clones fail because they offer neither, they're just doing the exact same thing in worse.

[uvuvwevwevweonyetenyevweugwemu]

Every game has inspirations from something else. I get what OP saying. It's mentioning the names that's irritating. Features can be explained instead of "Hey copy that", how it fits here depends how we play. There's a reason most of us avoid those games, yes I tried some before finally settling here. Not everyone can do that, simply because most of those games require this or that specs. XIV imho did the best to cater to most flavors but still unique in execution without sacrificing some players. We're not going to try every single games out there just to see your point. That's for weebos who never finish a damn thing in a game.

[MagiusNecros]

I'd rather XIV be it's own thing and if it should be anything it should be ESO. I find their battle systems more engaging and fun. But eh whatever.