Implement a lottery for house plots

[Vladmiere]

More people bidding for the same thing = lower odds of success...

I know you're on Balmung (and a Mancat) but do try to keep up.

The only discussion that should be happening regarding housing right now should be "when are they going to realize that instancing is the only realistic way to make everyone happy?"

Not "what is the best way I can get an advantage over those nasty other people who already own houses?"

But yet by your logic that would actually make things worse. If we are going by what you are saying less people having a chance for a plot is a better system. Not sure what being on Balmung has to do with such a silly narrow view of things but I guess a emotional response beats no response... Or does it. Hmm. Yes I do agree the only real discussions should be regarding the current situation on housing at large. But frankly for four years it has not changed for the most part and I am not sure if it will ever change. Until then a system that gives EVERYONE a chance with a larger window to log in and make your bid in a week time is more fair then what we have. Some caveats will exsist and that is why a meaningful discussion for possible methods to make things more fair with what we got beats the midnight gold rush.

[Crysten]

But yet by your logic that would actually make things worse. If we are going by what you are saying less people having a chance for a plot is a better system. Not sure what being on Balmung has to do with such a silly narrow view of things but I guess a emotional response beats no response... Or does it. Hmm.

I also see you're a selective reader, which only goes to re-enforce my silly, narrow point of view.

Let me quote my main point again, since you missed it the first time:

The only discussion that should be happening regarding housing right now should be "when are they going to realize that instancing is the only realistic way to make everyone happy?"

Not "what is the best way I can get an advantage over those nasty other people who already own houses?"

Sure, let's have a lottery that everyone has access to which solves nothing bar the time people wake up tomorrow and will still piss everyone off instead of saying to SE, "hey guys, how about you guys change the system so EVERYONE gets a house?"

[Penthea]

Lottery? Fair?

How is it more fair to make getting a plot being 100% based on luck? I worked hard to get my house. I didn't win the patch day lottery of logging in and I didn't randomly stumble upon many millions of gil. I worked for months to be able to afford a house and I faithfully camped the aetheryte waiting for a demolished plot.

The current system sucks but your suggestion would make it even worse. Your post reeks of someone who hasn't got a house and just wants to punish anyone who has a better chance than they do of getting one.

Why not pour your energy into thinking of a way that would benefit all players instead of simply changing who gets a house?

[Vladmiere]

But it's not fair and that is what people are trying to point out. In regard to FCs as it stands right now ALL FCs are on equal footing, and you can bet that any FC that wants a place or to upgrade has been planning this for months. Thus they are guaranteed to have someone with time off. With your system you put smaller FCs at a severe disadvantage to larger FCs that can just throw numbers at the lotto system. While it sucks, the way we have it now quite literally puts all FCs and all individuals on as equal a footing as possible.

The real question is which is more fair? A narrow window of a few minutes logging in to claim a plot initially or a more broad window that gives more people time to log in and place a bid themselves.

Lottery? Fair?

How is it more fair to make getting a plot being 100% based on luck? I worked hard to get my house. I didn't win the patch day lottery of logging in and I didn't randomly stumble upon many millions of gil. I worked for months to be able to afford a house and I faithfully camped the aetheryte waiting for a demolished plot.

The current system sucks but your suggestion would make it even worse. Your post reeks of someone who hasn't got a house and just wants to punish anyone who has a better chance than they do of getting one.

Why not pour your energy into thinking of a way that would benefit all players instead of simply changing who gets a house?

I empathize with your situation because you are not the only one who has gone through that. I also have done the exact same point you made. I have bought many houses since the first days that housing opened up. I think you are making a mistake trying to make things personal. The point is to create a way that benefits more people because the current system only supports a small amount of players. I am not saying it is a fair system but a .001% chance is still a better chance then none at all which covers most of the players forcing them to go through the same scenario you currently went through. I am only speaking about the initial rush for housing plots which most of the playerbase cannot participate in. As said above entire countries and time zones are disadvantaged. This method itleast removes such restrictions. Its more of a casual/real world time line constriction over in game advantages.

[Moonlite]

Yeah, I second this. This is a terrible, terrible idea.

Seriously curious, it is the same garbage just piled different. Current system you RNG luck out and login before someone else, lottery RNG you get picked over someone else. Last batch of wards multiple PCs plus accounts and different locations coordinated tried to get a FC house. The login system is not so great that it is anything but chance. Also they won't have extra GMs/devs on watching the purchases of the house to try to make sure people aren't abusing what little system is actually in place. I don't think either answer is good I just don't see proof that the old login RNG is better.

Also people that say larger FCs have an advantage in lottery. How each FC gets a number a number is drawn one to one. This isn't about people getting extra chances its about everyone who wants one getting one chance. The only argument you could make is someone with alts at appropriate level would get more then one.

I am going to go out on a limb (a small one). The login server will have a horrible que and will repeatedly kick people out so being 200 in que means nothing. I haven't seen anything from SE to suggest that they have planned anything to stabilize logins? If I have missed it please link for others. I am sure the only post will be "if maintenance is done early we won't be bringing servers up early". I truly feel sorry for people getting up early or staying up trying to deal with this system.

[Penthea]

TThe point is to create a way that benefits more people because the current system only supports a small amount of players.

Your suggestion would still only support a small amount of players. Have you forgotten that the main problem is that there aren't enough houses? What we need is more residency options, not more restrictions.

[Crysten]

The real question is which is more fair? A narrow window of a few minutes logging in to claim a plot initially or a more broad window that gives more people time to log in and place a bid themselves.

They're the same thing. RNG based. The only thing your suggestion does is increase the amount of competition (since everyone can bid) and by extension, disappointment. Which isn't an improvement.

The endgame is that someone gets lucky and gets a house, and everyone else will whine about it. Exactly the same thing that'll happen tomorrow.

You can put a ribbon on a turd, but it's still a turd.

Your suggestion would still only support a small amount of players. Have you forgotten that the main problem is that there aren't enough houses? What we need is more residency options, not more restrictions.

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[Vladmiere]

Your suggestion would still only support a small amount of players. Have you forgotten that the main problem is that there aren't enough houses? What we need is more residency options, not more restrictions.

I already said that is a much larger and glaring issue. I agree with you 100% but once more 4 years of constant threads about the current system has yet to produce any changes. What we need are changes that itleast makes the CURRENT system a little more bearable. Any increase that lets a larger swath of players get a shot at something is still heads over better then what we got. Not sure what about that is an issue with you? Once more you are speaking of a situation that for 4 years has resulted in nothing despite small nods like apartments but I am after realistic ideas that SE may consider that makes tweaks to what we already have. What SE is more willing to implement to somewhat fix a broken system.

And several points no one seems to make is this current system supports gil selling and RMT more so then a lottery system would. Who is more likely to log on to beat the rush. Someone whos livlihood based on RMT sales or people who play a game for fun but would still have a week to log in to itleast have a shot at a plot sale at a reasonable price.

[Airget]

I already said that is a much larger and glaring issue. I agree with you 100% but once more 4 years of constant threads about the current system has yet to produce any changes.

This is because of the implementation of FC Workshops, Diadem and content which would cause you to lose all progress if a FC wanted to move.

The reason why no substantial changes have been made yet is because they needed to introduce the ability to move with the new Housing area.

By adding the new housing area and the ability to move they first need to see the results before they decide to add more housing.

Once the results are in I am confident they will push to add in more housing because now they have the means to allow players to move if they wish as well as introduced the 4th Housing Location.

I get the frustration that it's taken this long but you have to understand a things for a logistics point of view. Sure maybe they could blindly double the amount of housing locations they have but then what happens if 50% of them don't get used? Then they've wasted resources that could be better spent elsewhere because they can't just remove these wards because they're not being used.

They have to be smart with how they implement additional wards and that means seeing how Shirogane fills up before considering additional wards.

[Penthea]

And several points no one seems to make is this current system supports gil selling and RMT more so then a lottery system would.

Lets be real here. Players desperate for a house won't really care if a system supports RMT if said system gives them a better chance of getting a house. Sure your system would lessen the support for RMT but it would also reduce the chance for players to get a house. On the latter alone it's a major fail from the player's perspective.

Also there aren't enough houses to be the bulk of support for RMT. There are plenty of other gil sinks. Some gear cost more than a house.