Implement a lottery for house plots

[Vladmiere]

But it doesn't give a larger amount of people. It gives the same amount of people but takes out any semblance of controlling your own fate. The only positive I can see to this method is it takes away the ability of trolls to open trade windows to interrupt sales.

You are wrong it gives EVERYONE that wants a plot a better chance then how its currently implemented. I and about half my friend list will nto even have a chance because of scheduling. The people that would really be burned are those who are going to be engage in the initial rush once servers are brought up. It gives more people a chance to be in the running for the same amount of plots as those who will be camping the spot for server up.

Yeah, I second this. This is a terrible, terrible idea.

Terrible idea but care to illuminate as to why it is a bad idea to you?

[Vahlnir]

You are wrong it gives EVERYONE that wants a plot a better chance then how its currently implemented. I and about half my friend list will nto even have a chance because of scheduling. The people that would really be burned are those who are going to be engage in the initial rush once servers are brought up.

It changes nothing. With your system it'd just be completely random. Letting players CHOOSE is the best course of action. That wouldn't change the demand or the number of plots. It sucks, I know, but this wouldn't make it better. The amount of harm it would do would outweigh the good...and there isn't much good to come from it. Players would be angry...very, very angry.

[Crysten]

You are wrong it gives EVERYONE that wants a plot a better chance then how its currently implemented.

First come first served (ie: a lottery on who gets in the login queue first) for 720 plots vs. a lottery for 720 plots.

No, seriously, how does a lottery increase anybody's odds? If anything, it'd lower your odds because those who weren't willing to wake up/take time off would sign up to also get a shot. <_<

You didn't think this through at all.

[Vladmiere]

First come first served (ie: a lottery on who gets in the login queue first) for 720 plots vs. a lottery for 720 plots.

No, seriously, how does a lottery increase anybody's odds? If anything, it'd lower your odds because those who weren't willing to wake up/take time off would sign up to also get a shot. <_<

You didn't think this through at all.

What? I am not sure you understand with what I even posted. It will lower the odds to those who can make that window of time to log in and attempt the rush. What it basically does is expand that window out for a longer period giving more people time to put in their bid.

But it's not fair and that is what people are trying to point out. In regard to FCs as it stands right now ALL FCs are on equal footing, and you can bet that any FC that wants a place or to upgrade has been planning this for months. Thus they are guaranteed to have someone with time off. With your system you put smaller FCs at a severe disadvantage to larger FCs that can just throw numbers at the lotto system. While it sucks, the way we have it now quite literally puts all FCs and all individuals on as equal a footing as possible.

Fair assessment. This type of change at this late in the game is pretty much not going to happen. I would be for future plots having a form of lotto system in place. And I think most small FC's would be inclined to agree with me if they gave it a bit of thought. Most small FC's I know of who got housing got it through people reselling plots at blown up prices. It is working against smaller Free Companies but this system gives possible chance at earning housing on more fair prices then having to shell out over a billion gil for a large house on Balmung. And in all honesty most casual FC's will be disadvantaged no matter what is done with the system as is.

[Vahlnir]

What? I am not sure you understand with what I even posted. It will lower the odds to those who can make that window of time to log in and attempt the rush. What it basically does is expand that window out for a longer period giving more people time to put in their bid.

What it does is make an already...not so ideal system even worse. You don't seem to realize this.

[Vladmiere]

What it does is make an already...not so ideal system even worse. You don't seem to realize this.

I am not sure how you can make the system worse then it already is. All it would do (at worst) is cause a shift in whom will feel slighted. But would it really make things worse? How so?

[Senliten]

What it does is make an already...not so ideal system even worse. You don't seem to realize this.

Not sure how it makes it worse. RNG to get in, RNG to not be locked out, RNG to be the faster of the click... Instead of hoping RNG favors you in this shitty kind of a way, ya just make it so the RNG has to be decided by the system.
Result is still the same, someone gets lucky and gets the housing, others are left to bitch and moan why they woke up so early to log in and still get shafted, thus then start posting how irate they are on the boards, and the cycle continues ever since like last time, with nothing changing cause SE doesn't give two hoots.

Also, for the lotto system itself, restrictions would need to be placed on the system to be effective. Can win only one plot of land, if you submit and win multiple plots, you must decide which plot and the rest are then redrawn for others, leading to other players getting a second chance. And a few others to prevent gaming the system. The only factor that should be deemed to make you eligible is if you have the cash to make a bid, rest should be just done by the system cause we will be waiting ages to honestly see a 'real' fix.

So how about people stop trying to say 'no it can't or won't work', and instead stop and think how it could be made to work.

[Crysten]

What? I am not sure you understand with what I even posted. It will lower the odds to those who can make that window of time to log in and attempt the rush. What it basically does is expand that window out for a longer period giving more people time to put in their bid.

More people bidding for the same thing = lower odds of success...

I know you're on Balmung (and a Mancat) but do try to keep up.

The only discussion that should be happening regarding housing right now should be "when are they going to realize that instancing is the only realistic way to make everyone happy?"

Not "what is the best way I can get an advantage over those nasty other people who already own houses?"

[Vladmiere]

More people bidding for the same thing = lower odds of success...

I know you're on Balmung (and a Mancat) but do try to keep up.

The only discussion that should be happening regarding housing right now should be "when are they going to realize that instancing is the only realistic way to make everyone happy?"

Not "what is the best way I can get an advantage over those nasty other people who already own houses?"

But yet by your logic that would actually make things worse. If we are going by what you are saying less people having a chance for a plot is a better system. Not sure what being on Balmung has to do with such a silly narrow view of things but I guess a emotional response beats no response... Or does it. Hmm. Yes I do agree the only real discussions should be regarding the current situation on housing at large. But frankly for four years it has not changed for the most part and I am not sure if it will ever change. Until then a system that gives EVERYONE a chance with a larger window to log in and make your bid in a week time is more fair then what we have. Some caveats will exsist and that is why a meaningful discussion for possible methods to make things more fair with what we got beats the midnight gold rush.

[Crysten]

But yet by your logic that would actually make things worse. If we are going by what you are saying less people having a chance for a plot is a better system. Not sure what being on Balmung has to do with such a silly narrow view of things but I guess a emotional response beats no response... Or does it. Hmm.

I also see you're a selective reader, which only goes to re-enforce my silly, narrow point of view.

Let me quote my main point again, since you missed it the first time:

The only discussion that should be happening regarding housing right now should be "when are they going to realize that instancing is the only realistic way to make everyone happy?"

Not "what is the best way I can get an advantage over those nasty other people who already own houses?"

Sure, let's have a lottery that everyone has access to which solves nothing bar the time people wake up tomorrow and will still piss everyone off instead of saying to SE, "hey guys, how about you guys change the system so EVERYONE gets a house?"