4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

[Lambdafish]

Ultimate Bahamut will not fill that role due to the limited amount of people that will even get to fight him at all, and that's a big problem. Mark my words you will see threads about the lack of content soon once more people realize that

You are missing the point of ultimate though. There are two kinds of player when it comes to raiding, those that clear everything quickly, and those that don't. For the players that don't clear it quickly, omega lasts for the entire content cycle and is still active content available in 4.1 (i.e. they will actively subscribe to do it), for raiders who have beaten it and are 340 (the Dev team have tuned the content for this to be possible right now for even the most midcore of raider), there is literally no more content, the game is complete and there is no more progression. You can say that there are other theme park attractions to do, but talking purely from the vertical progression ladder, it is finished, and there is no more reason to keep playing.

Ultimate savage is the best of both solutions to raids being beaten quickly. It provides raiding longevity for those that have beaten the raids, while not upping the difficulty of the actual raid (like gordias did). For those that aren't at the level of ultimate, it isn't wasted content, but rather a content ceiling that while they might never access it, shows a far larger investment to the top of the ladder than what we have now, and (forgive the pun) represents the ultimate final challenge of the battle content.

[bswpayton]

You are missing the point of ultimate though. There are two kinds of player when it comes to raiding, those that clear everything quickly, and those that don't. For the players that don't clear it quickly, omega lasts for the entire

Im sorry it still doesnt justify its existence , especially when they said that the raids would be harder each tier already. There is no point for ultimate other than to cater to the 1 percent of the 1 percent, and If it cost any amount of resources then it is kinda a waste. The way they have spoken about this , is that ultimate will be the hardest raid to hit the game thus far , so with that in mind then not a ton of people are gona clear it , and that leaves the question why mmake it in the first place.

[Avatre]

[...]and that leaves the question why mmake it in the first place.

To give people more incentive to keep playing and trying to clear it. It's like the hardest difficulty in a lot of games, where you get hit once, you're almost dead, twice and you restart from the checkpoint. While other games, you get hit once(in the toe even) and you die, starting over the ENTIRE level, not just from last checkpoint which could be the room right before the final encounter in it.

If they did it as I am suspecting(and I don't do the savage raids, so there is 0% chance of me attempting it in the first place), then it will likely be harder than most, if not all, of the next tier of Omega.

[Lambdafish]

Im sorry it still doesnt justify its existence , especially when they said that the raids would be harder each tier already. There is no point for ultimate other than to cater to the 1 percent of the 1 percent, and If it cost any amount of resources then it is kinda a waste. The way they have spoken about this , is that ultimate will be the hardest raid to hit the game thus far , so with that in mind then not a ton of people are gona clear it , and that leaves the question why mmake it in the first place.

1) When people talking about wasting resources, they forget that this is recycled content, likely intentionally. The raid likely isn't an old fight for nostalgia sake, but rather to limit the amount of resources going into this.

2) from a purely progression architecture perspective, ultimate will be one of the best things to happen to the game. People talk about endgame being empty, but when something that takes significant time investment with little resources required gets added, people call for it to be removed. For raiders, this is the equivalent of 2.0/3.0 relic, something that takes a long time and may not be cleared while it is still relevant, but it represents a content with high longevity, which is what this game severely lacks

[bswpayton]

1) When people talking about wasting resources, they forget that this is recycled content, likely intentionally. The raid likely isn't an old fight for nostalgia sake, but rather to limit the amount of resources going into this.

It just seems very hypocritical to me , all the post on here about askin to rework other content and the general feedback is no dont do that , its a waste of resources etc focus on new content. But yet wit this its like oh the game needs this, I dont understand how ones ok but the other isnt ok. And Ive seen many a post askin to rework or readjust other content, to be shut down outright by this forums community. But yet this is totally accetable, this is what Im not understanding.

[Vaer]

It just seems very hypocritical to me , all the post on here about askin to rework other content and the general feedback is no dont do that , its a waste of resources etc focus on new content. But yet wit this its like oh the game needs this, I dont understand how ones ok but the other isnt ok. And Ive seen many a post askin to rework or readjust other content, to be shut down outright by this forums community. But yet this is totally accetable, this is what Im not understanding.

The last time HC players got something like this was almost 3 years ago. I think you can let them attempt this. If the participation level is really bad they just won't do it anymore. The sky is not falling.

[bswpayton]

The last time HC players got something like this was almost 3 years ago. I think you can let them attempt this. If the participation level is really bad they just won't do it anymore. The sky is not falling.

Hmm whats this games population 500k to 700k, lets say even 20 thousand or 40 thousand people clear this , is that really enough to justify. I dont even think flogs have 20k parses on one job so that could possibly mean that not even that many people are raiding. Which would make that 40 k number not possible , so If thats the case if not even 40 thousand out of 500ish thousand players are gona be doing this then whats the point exactly.

[Vaer]

Hmm whats this games population 500k to 700k, lets say even 20 thousand or 40 thousand people clear this , is that really enough to justify. I dont even think flogs have 20k parses on one job so that could possibly mean that not even that many people are raiding. Which would make that 40 k number not possible , so If thats the case if not even 40 thousand out of 500ish thousand players are gona be doing this then whats the point exactly.

To have varied content? The clear rates of floor 200 PoTD is probably super low as well. Should they not bother with the higher difficulty floors when they release the new one? What about PvP? Not that many people actually participate in ranked, should they just stop bothering to support PvP? Cmon now.

[Lambdafish]

To have varied content? The clear rates of floor 200 PoTD is probably super low as well. Should they not bother with the higher difficulty floors when they release the new one? What about PvP? Not that many people actually participate in ranked, should they just stop bothering to support PvP? Cmon now.

Don't forget the amount of people that own a house. That storage box and moving feature must have taken a lot of resources

[bswpayton]

To have varied content? The clear rates of floor 200 PoTD is probably super low as well. Should they not bother with the higher difficulty floors when they release the new one? What about PvP? Not that many people actually participate

Im sorry I just disagree, resources could have been put somewhere else the drop off for each job from v2s up to neo is by several thosand, which to me indicates alot of the players havent even gotten to or beaten neo ex death. So if thats the cause we are talkin possible less than 5 thousand people that will even have access to this ultimate fight. Just doesnt make sense to call this content for this patch , they really should have brought something else out alongside this to justify makin this a standalone content, for patch 4.1. Just doesnt make sense for the big fresh new thing to be a raid that less than 10 thousand people if that , even have access to.