4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

**Neophyte** · 10-08-2017 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by Alleo

Wow how mature to personal attack people because they are not happy with content..completely ignoring that even Yoshida once pointed out that criticism is way more valuable than compliments..I also visit threads that are about interesting ideas and if I like something in the game I will point that out too..yet I will also post about something that I dislike.

Yes, but I don't think he meant "criticism" like:

"And none of that content will last more than 24 hours (harder raid is the only lasting thing, but only less than 1% will bother), whereas a patch should last months.
Easier now?"

from people totally fed up with pretty everything in the game itself. In terms of that, they rely on the numbers they get (nobody needs to tell them, that nobody plays the game.. if that's the case they will notice first).

Yoshi-P also said to exactly those people (not knowing how to be motivated to play the game and be bored after few days of an expansion): "Take a break".

They want suggestions, yes... but telling them "Change the whole concept" and they show you the door. Especially if you word your criticism like you hate most of their work.
It's like the difference of telling a band "Why don't you try to do something with a Didgeridoo?" and "Play something else, your style is boring after 6 albums."

**Voldemort** · 10-08-2017 04:21 AM

It all depends on whether this content is worth an entire new game's price.
FFXIV costs roughly $15/month. 3 month cycles per patch means $45 per update to the game. If you are a patient gamer and don't need to buy every game at launch, you can get decent "new" games for $45.

So in essence, when people are complaining that the patch is empty, they are making a comparison of opportunity costs: do I spend $45 playing three months worth of a clearly-gutted patch? Or can I get another game (or two... steam sales/humble bundle) that will last me roughly the same time frame?
What makes this decision even more blaring is the fact that SE has stripped the game of a dungeon for the promise of more content.

Once my subscription is up, I think I'll do what I essentially did the entire 3.X patch series: ride the coat tails of the free log in campaigns. They always seem to occur around the release of new patches, and since I really only care for the MSQ I can log in without needing to pay a sub. And I don't have to partake in the quarterly tome grind, since the second-best/easy-to-get gear fulfills ilvl requirements.

Anyone else who feels there is a lack of content, just remember the opportunity cost above. Is this patch really worth your $45? If not, there's nothing wrong with voting with your wallet.

**Sandpark** · 10-08-2017 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Voldemort

So in essence, when people are complaining that the patch is empty, they are making a comparison of opportunity costs: do I spend $45 playing three months worth of a clearly-gutted patch? Or can I get another game (or two... steam sales/humble bundle) that will last me roughly the same time frame?
What makes this decision even more blaring is the fact that SE has stripped the game of a dungeon for the promise of more content.

If those 2 games are great then you probably made a good choice.

But, remember while those two games may give better value over the course of three months. Their expansions end immediately or a year or two after. Investing in this game has more replay value over the long haul unless you prefer playing the same thing over and over with little changes.

I play the heck out of old Bioware and Squaresoft games to this day, but that experience does not change anymore for the most part.

**Mature** · 10-07-2017 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by Alleo

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Tbh I don't give a toss what you think about me as it goes over my head. so don't waste your time dedicating a post about myself. Thanks

You do know that there is CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and there is moaning right? I can give you a very clear example here of the difference between this pointless thread and this one below.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/forum.php#threads/342315

And again like I mentioned before there is ENOUGH content in this game to keep everyone busy but yet again we keep getting:

"There's nothing to do cause there is nothing I WANT to do"

Sorry the game is not carter for one but for the whole community and DOESN'T give you the right to MOAN but provide a constructive solutions... something that doesn't happen here.

**Alleo** · 10-08-2017 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by Mature

Tbh I don't give a toss what you think about me as it goes over my head. so don't waste your time dedicating a post about myself. Thanks

My whole post was not even dedicated to you, the only part was the small few sentences at the end. Also the link does not get to a topic but the forum itself. Anyway what it constructive criticism and what not really depends on the people. You can have posts that even have some arguments and solution and yet people still feel the need to personal attack others. Also quite some people have posted stuff that they are missing in the patch in this topic or even why they dislike it.

Like I said its always constructive when its about oneself but if its about others then suddenly its just moaning and whining..which is kinda sad because lots of topics I saw that were titled that way by some posters really had some interesting posts in it..

Originally Posted by Remedi

accusing ppl of white knightning something is not better, as is trying to pass for a victim, both sides have been firing shots at each other so there's no better one in this discussion.

Yes thats why I said both sides can be bad at this, but at least in this thread there is quite the attacks going on which is sad.

**Drivedown** · 10-09-2017 12:04 PM

bump.

only complaints . no solution from dev?

**Lambdafish** · 10-09-2017 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Drivedown

bump.

only complaints . no solution from dev?

You want a solution from the devs? What the hell kind of response do you expect to such entitlement? You got classic content, new content for a wide variety of players, massive QoL improvements that we have waited years for, and even a few surprise features.

Eureka was delayed, get over it, that's all the devs can say. I don't mind people being salty about the patch to an extent (opinions are opinions), but asking for a "solution" like the patch is broken is beyond entitled.

**Krotoan** · 10-09-2017 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Drivedown

bump.

only complaints . no solution from dev?

What do you say to someone who looks at the dinner you spent all day cooking and goes: "... I just expected more"?

They're not going to go "Oh sorry, adding 5 more of (thing) for you guys now".

the only possible response would go along the lines of "We're sorry you aren't enjoying the current patch schedule and amount of (type of content). We are always listening to feedback and appreciate any constructive criticism or suggestions. We'll do our best to take your suggestions into consideration for future content updates". Anything else would be a promise they might not be able to fulfill or something that will be thrown back in their face later when it becomes apparent they cannot achieve it with their current resources. There is no response they could give that would make anyone who'd make this kind of thread happy. Responding to this is just asking for trouble later.

**Drivedown** · 10-10-2017 12:18 PM

so in other words, we are all here just complaining for fun when nothing going to be done by the dev.

**Pomelo** · 10-07-2017 07:56 PM

I do think this is the patch I've been least excited about since starting FF. I'll definitely try Rival Wings, but I can give or take the rest now, I am at such a disconnect with the Story of SB (mostly because I don't care about Lyse and they constantly shove her down our throats)

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