Regarding no DRK adjustments in 4.1

[Crater]

Yeah, if only there were mechanics that didn't target the entire party or required single target attention...oh wait...

/facepalm.

I get that this is supposed to be a super slam that refutes my argument but there actually literally aren't any of these mechanics in the current raid tier. Other than tankbusters (let's please not pretend that target-other TBN matters for tankbusters) there are no Prey mechanics, or anything else that would actually make use of TBN as a support ability.

[Crater]

Your arguing semantics. Either way war didn't have a single target or party wide defensive buff.

The gap was not "PLD and DRK can buff other party members and poor WAR can't". The gap was "PLD can buff the whole party's defense, which neither WAR nor DRK can do".

The difference is that PLD paid for that ability by having poor personal defence, which is certainly not a disadvantage that WAR shares.

The tanks are very close to balanced as of 4.05. The balance adjustments in 4.1 are introducing significant imbalance where there wasn't any previously. That's a pretty big deal, and everybody should be fighting it.

[Azerhan]

TBN is...
Well, it's okay for a TB (regardless if you're MT or OT, it's usefull for the MT) but for the rest...
Spend 2400 mp for shielding a guy for 10% of his hps... I don't think it's worth.

But TBN is not the big issue with the DRK.
I think the gameplay (which is boring af) and the lack of DPS - and maybe raid dpsing utility? - are the real problem.

[Aana]

I get that this is supposed to be a super slam that refutes my argument but there actually literally aren't any of these mechanics in the current raid tier. Other than tankbusters (let's please not pretend that target-other TBN matters for tankbusters) there are no Prey mechanics, or anything else that would actually make use of TBN as a support ability.

Yeah, single target things are so worthless. I wish they'd just delete cover, intervention, clemency, adlo, aspected bene, palisade, or any other single target defensive shield/mitigation ability in the game. They are so much junk because they don't hit the entire party and you cant make use of a single target defensive ability in a world of raid aoe.

War had zero defensive support abilities. It got 1. That doesn't somehow make TBN non-existant support trash. Drk needs some tweaks. Sure. That doesn't negate war from needing some type of support skill as well.

[PhamNuwen]

I'd like for you to learn to read and to actually know what you are talking about.[/QUOTE]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4420958

Right back at ya buddy.

[whiskeybravo]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4420958

Right back at ya buddy.

Hmm..

Job Adjustments - Updated October 2, 2017, 11:45 a.m.
Here are a sample of the job adjustments planned for Patch 4.1 mentioned by Yoshida during the broadcast.
Please note that these are subject to change. Please wait for the final patch notes to be released for the full details and list of adjustments.

There's a few people that think MNK needs some adjustments too, but nothing listed. I think I'll wait til the full list comes out before I freak out.

[Kabooa]

( Reading Comprehension ) ( Do you have it? )

[Xenosan]

You can't keep a running subscription to this game by expecting anything greater than

to be disappointed.

But to something brought up on the previous page, I think their 4.x job adjustments have been pretty on-the-nose for a good portion of jobs, but just hasn't reached everyone yet. I like what I'm seeing in ARC/SMN/SCH, they've made progress since 4.0

Maybe they haven't got to DRK yet, or their DRK adjustments aren't 'buffs' and more core adjustments like MP cost/restore, MP pool, etc, things you can't or wouldn't really hype/advertise, or they're still working on it. etc

But stay pessimistic

[Kabooa]

Maybe they haven't got to DRK yet, or their DRK adjustments aren't 'buffs' and more core adjustments like MP cost/restore, MP pool, etc, things you can't or wouldn't really hype/advertise, or they're still working on it. etc

But stay pessimistic

If they added HP drain to Bloodspiller, I'd be happy.
If they increased TBN's duration by a second or two I'd be really happy
if Dark Passenger worked with Blood Weapon I'd be VinceMcMahon.Gifing
if Sole Survivor got useful I'd buy the Scythe weapon pack.

[Crater]

. That doesn't negate war from needing some type of support skill as well.

What negates WAR from needing some type of support skill is that they already have the best damage of all the tanks, the best personal defenses of all the tanks, the best mobility of all the tanks, the best enmity generation of all the tanks, the least costly stance swaps of all the tanks, they're the only tank that doesn't require a SAM/NIN babysitter to switch off the main target to an add, the best ability to deal with forced downtime, and the best ability to burst/burn.

WAR has a tremendous advantage over every other tank in basically every respect, and they're now being handed not just "a support skill", but a support skill that is hilariously overpowered even compared to the tank who is supposed to specialize in support defense. It's really, really dumb.