4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

[PotatoTree]

Remember when 2.1 came with:

- 3 dungeons
- 3 extreme primal trails
- King moogle trial
- Ultima trial
- 24 man raid
- 2 beast tribes
- PvP (wolves den)
- Treasure maps
- Housing
- aesthetician

Just having 5 new trials (3 ex, Ultima, and King moogle) was already amazing.

[MyaValentine]

Remember when 2.1 came with:

- 3 dungeons
- 3 extreme primal trails
- King moogle trial
- Ultima trial
- 24 man raid
- 2 beast tribes
- PvP (wolves den)
- Treasure maps
- Housing
- aesthetician

Just having 5 new trials (3 ex, Ultima, and King moogle) was already amazing.

I like how people use 2.1 as their trump card to win an argument, remember any other single patch after 2.1 that came even close to amount of content 2.1 had? me neither.

[Krotoan]

Remember when 2.1 came with:

remember when they made a horrible horrible mistake in outsourcing and rushing 1.0 and had to attempt to win back an entire playerbase with new and exciting content as quickly as possible or face losing everything they'd invested and hired an entirely new development team who likely had a guillotine over their necks untill that first year passed and the subscriptions pushed the profitability into the black? I'm pretty sure that level of hustle will not be seen again for a while and in my opinion shouldn't be. For the amount of "this NEEDS to be done" expressed by so many people they aren't willing to invest the time or money it'd take to get these things done. Time as in "no content or events for a year, but housing will be fixed, inventory and glamour logs will be resolved to everyones satisfaction, data centers will all be able to link and players can adventure together in the overworld and instances with little to no special prep.". They're doing what they can with the resources they have and most of what I see on the forums is people complaining on how it's not enough.
I attended a panel at a con where the speaker was talking about Destiny 2 before release day. Someone asked "how do you deal with people burning through all the content , what things do you have in place to keep hardcore gamers happy? ". His response: "you just kind of throw chunks of your life at this endless hole that is player demands and keep living. We can never keep up with everyone, we just have to make a quality experience for the content we are making and when we're done with that move on to the next thing.".. They are aware it's hopeless yet they keep giving us things. That deserves a little respect?

[PotatoTree]

I like how people use 2.1 as their trump card to win an argument, remember any other single patch after 2.1 that came even close to amount of content 2.1 had? me neither.

2.5 had a good amount of content too. A lot of 2.xx patches were not bad. I don't expect another 2.1, but we're getting less and less content per expansion. We're getting less dungeons, less trials, less beast tribes, less pretty much everything.

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Sure if it was free, but we're paying quite a bit of money. Sure you can say just stop and don't pay, but that's the lazy solution.

[Krotoan]

2.5 had a good amount of content too. A lot of 2.xx patches were not bad. I don't expect another 2.1, but we're getting less and less content per expansion. We're getting less dungeons, less trials, less beast tribes, less pretty much everything.



Sure if it was free, but we're paying quite a bit of money. Sure you can say just stop and don't pay, but that's the lazy solution.

you're paying about as much as a lunch per month + whatever initial invesment you made for the base game. I wouldn't call that a lot, subjective I guess though. What you're paying for though is server maintenance costs and all that entails: bandwidth, GMs, customer service. It isn't cheap running a multiple hundreds of thousand accounts server. Stopping paying isn't lazy and I'm sad you think it is. It's the most powerful tool you have for showing your displeasure. STOP PAYING. If you keep paying and maybe post a biting comment on the forums it gets a hell of a lot less attention than the fallout of people dropping off of recurring payments. You want 2.1 levels of attention? Recreate the crisis.

[ErryK]

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2.1 is patch 2.0+1, because it was all the stuff they could not add upon 2.0's release. Stop using it as a defense.

[PotatoTree]

2.1 is patch 2.0+1, because it was all the stuff they could not add upon 2.0's release. Stop using it as a defense.

Wait who am I defending. Are you thinking I'm defending SE? I'm saying we got less and less content with the patches. If you don't want to use 2.1 then use 2.5.

[ErryK]

Wait who am I defending. Are you thinking I'm defending SE? I'm saying we got less and less content with the patches. If you don't want to use 2.1 then use 2.5.

Defense, counterargument, whatever term you prefer.

The only difference is we're not getting 2 dungeons, and we're getting one less trial.

The two dungeons are reused from 2.0, Amdapor Keep and Wanderer's Palace, and then the two trials haven't much replay value anyways. I guess the only argument you could make is Postmoogle quests, but those last shorter than the MSQ, which is already being shortened to something like 5-8 quests so there's not too many by the end.

[Vahlnir]

Defense, counterargument, whatever term you prefer.

The only difference is we're not getting 2 dungeons, and we're getting one less trial.

The two dungeons are reused from 2.0, Amdapor Keep and Wanderer's Palace, and then the two trials haven't much replay value anyways. I guess the only argument you could make is Postmoogle quests, but those last shorter than the MSQ, which is already being shortened to something like 5-8 quests so there's not too many by the end.

I think that if the new PvP mode and Eureka had been delivered on time, people wouldn't be as upset and concerned. It's a shame that they got pushed back, but I'm HOPING that means they learned from past mistakes like Diadem and are doing things right the first time. Time will tell, obviously. Those were both supposed to make it into 4.1, though the PvP content won't be TOO far behind...1 month, roughly. Biggest issue is Eureka. A lot of people were looking forward to that, myself included.

[Rita1989]

2.1 is patch 2.0+1, because it was all the stuff they could not add upon 2.0's release. Stop using it as a defense.

To be fair 4.1 is partially the same way, the new pvp mode was delayed from 4.0 and guessing they intentionally delayed Shirogane housing until 4.1 so the patch looks more beefy and keeps people subscribed into 4.1