4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

[Rita1989]

Arguably yes, coz I don't see how you can say all what you just said when the patch isn't even out yet, while spewing numbers not backed with any reaserch (1%? really?).

There is data from past savage teirs and even with a12s being the easiest yet clear rates were between 1-3% on the majority of servers.

So depending on the difficulty maybe 1/2 of those people will be able to do the Ultimate fight.

If this was a side project that would be fine but we are losing content for this.

[eaudaemon]

There is data from past savage teirs and even with a12s being the easiest yet clear rates were between 1-3% on the majority of servers.

So depending on the difficulty maybe 1/2 of those people will be able to do the Ultimate fight.

If this was a side project that would be fine but we are losing content for this.

And where is this "data" again? Coz I've searched and your the only one that I can find that says it. And what crystal ball did you look into that only 1/2 people would be able to do the Ultimate fight? And what makes you think this is a side project coz the patch isn't out yet?

[technole]

And where is this "data" again? Coz I've searched and your the only one that I can find that says it. And what crystal ball did you look into that only 1/2 people would be able to do the Ultimate fight? And what makes you think this is a side project coz the patch isn't out yet?

Alexander Creator Savage clear (A12S) rates in last column, this was in March before Echo. It's based on the polling all lodestones for the mount since cheeves can be hidden. It's a good estimate, but of course since only one mount drops a week for raid during lockout, there is obviously groups that don't have all 8/8.

It is also a good representation oh how disparate NA/EU vs JP is when it comes to high-end raiding.

[eaudaemon]

Alexander Creator Savage clear (A12S) rates in last column, this was in March before Echo. It's based on the polling all lodestones for the mount since cheeves can be hidden. It's a good estimate, but of course since only one mount drops a week for raid during lockout, there is obviously groups that don't have all 8/8.

It is also a good representation oh how disparate NA/EU vs JP is when it comes to high-end raiding.

Now this is good, at least somebody did their research and not spouting numbers.

[Rita1989]

Now this is good, at least somebody did their research and not spouting numbers.

Except that was taken 6 months after 3.4



This one is 3.45 and is a more realistic look at the ones who will be able to beat Ultimate

[technole]

Except that was taken 6 months after 3.4

This one is 3.45 and is a more realistic look at the ones who will be able to beat Ultimate

Actually, I'd consider anyone who could clear A12S before echo to be in the running. A lot of mechanical checks were way easier with 240 gear and echo.

[Rita1989]

Actually, I'd consider anyone who could clear A12S before echo to be in the running. A lot of mechanical checks were way easier with 240 gear and echo.

But if the fight is even as hard as A8S then most of these people are not going to be able to get close to clearing

A8S clear rate at 3.3 was still at like 1%

[eaudaemon]

Except that was taken 6 months after 3.4

This one is 3.45 and is a more realistic look at the ones who will be able to beat Ultimate

Hardly, for one this is different content than Ultimate, plus your not considering population size since we had more players since 2016 and your assuming that people are not going to finish it, let alone try.