When dps dont aoe should they just get kicked from the start?

[Fynlar]

If people don't AoE, I just stop making big pulls.

It isn't such a big deal like you people love to make it. There's enough situations in the game where you are *prevented* from making a big pull anyway that you should be used to it.

[JunseiKei]

If people don't AoE, I just stop making big pulls.

It isn't such a big deal like you people love to make it. There's enough situations in the game where you are *prevented* from making a big pull anyway that you should be used to it.

There's a big difference between unable and sheer incompetence or downright laziness. With that mentality, it rewards the behavior to simply not care. It's different if you're being crap by yourself. At least you're only wasting your own time.

[Cylla]

Maybe the person in question did not know, but I did, my point is just don't have that bias.

If you mix up ability name, job name, whatever. That fine. It happens. Not saying I don't do it either. This isn't even really about the names, it about having basic knowledge. You can come into my group while I'm on WAR and say, "omfg pld homeganggggg." And the point is, you know what it does, right? Because you have that basic knowledge, you just don't know the name. And that perfectly fine.

Again, I'm not calling someone a bad player (and I know you didn't say this) or being bias for them not knowing the name of something, but if they aren't willing to listen when someone trying to explain the reason why they couldn't move out of AoE's and wants to pin blame on another rather then own up to their mistake or at least admit that they didn't know and thank you for explaining/correcting it so that the rest of the run move on.

I respect the new players who can own up, listen up, and respect everyone in the group as a whole.

More on point with the actual topic:
I know some people don't agree with the OP attitude in how to handle the situation with DPS not AoEing. It does get draining when you ask over and over for people to do something they should know by the point they hit 70. And if you don't know, ask! It hurt more to not ask then to ask what may be a stupid question like, "Can I AoE here?" and keep from getting a vote kick over something that seems silly but is a big deal to some. To be honest, after the WHM I had to deal with, I'm to the point where if I run into anyone like her again and I explain something only to get a nasty reply, I'm going to hit that vote kick also and save myself the headache.

Let remember also - the reason we are running into these types of players who don't AoE, don't know how to play their own job fully, etc - are probably people who have spent their leveling days in POTD or FATE's. While POTD had it fun for us people who did floor 100-200, it became a curse when new people started using the lower floors for XPing. Not saying everyone who leveled in POTD is clueless of their job but let face it, there probably a lot more people coming out of POTD who don't know then the who do and took the time to learn.

And let not forget those lovely jump potions either.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

If people don't AoE, I just stop making big pulls.

It isn't such a big deal like you people love to make it. There's enough situations in the game where you are *prevented* from making a big pull anyway that you should be used to it.

Call me an "elitist" but I am not going to accommodate someone being lazy while doubling the length of the dungeon. This is entirely different if I'm not geared enough, the healer isn't or they ask not to do mass pulls because they're still a bit apprehensive. Those players I'm happy to go more slowly for. A geared DPS who just doesn't like casting Scatter or Doom Spike? Nope.

[Sandpark]

Just give the option to do normal experience dungeons with squadrons and friends. Both parties win.

The Must AoE group no longer has to kick people who refuse to AoE and group with like minded individuals in a human party.

The other side gets to play how they want and not get kicked or fussed at for not playing a way someone else wants you to.

/thread

[TouchandFeel]

Call me an "elitist" ...

If being an "elitist" equates to caring about the group as a whole and putting the success and enjoyment of the entire team over the petty desires of one selfish and lazy individual, then I will carry that title with pride.

[Mavrias]

Those other skills have longer CDs and arnt go to aoe skills like doom spike and sonic thrust..



I know the class well it's my main and the aoe is awful this ex pack stop tying to bandwagon and lets not forget you won't hit all the targets even if you tried except with sonic thrust because it's a cone aoe but I won't argue with anyone about this stupid topic because you see some fancy math doesn't make it concrete especially when they account for Geri which isn't even going to be up for majority of your aoe

"I know my class well" "Sonic thrust is a cone aoe." :thinking emoji:

[Myrkana]

Those other skills have longer CDs and arnt go to aoe skills like doom spike and sonic thrust..



I know the class well it's my main and the aoe is awful this ex pack stop tying to bandwagon and lets not forget you won't hit all the targets even if you tried except with sonic thrust because it's a cone aoe but I won't argue with anyone about this stupid topic because you see some fancy math doesn't make it concrete especially when they account for Geri which isn't even going to be up for majority of your aoe

according to the wiki: Sonic Thrust Delivers an attack with a potency of 100 to all enemies in a straight line before you. you might need to do some googling and learn to play your class a bit


I just want to enter an expert dungeon and know that the dps are going to be doing more than me (the healer) the entire run... I've seen Black Mages doing so little I do more than them o.o

[Snow_Princess]

If you mix up ability name, job name, whatever. That fine. It happens. Not saying I don't do it either. This isn't even really about the names, it about having basic knowledge. You can come into my group while I'm on WAR and say, "omfg pld homeganggggg." And the point is, you know what it does,right? Because you have that basic knowledge, you just don't know the name. And that perfectly fine.

Again, I'm not calling someone a bad player (and I know you didn't say this) or being bias for them not knowing the name of something, but if they aren't willing to listen when someone trying to explain the reason why they couldn't move out of AoE's and wants to pin blame on another rather then own up to their mistake or at least admit that they didn't know and thank you for explaining/correcting it so that the rest of the run move on.

I respect the new players who can own up, listen up, and respect everyone in the group as a whole.

More on point with the actual topic:
I know some people don't agree with the OP attitude in how to handle the situation with DPS not AoEing. It does get draining when you ask over and over for people to do something they should know by the point they hit 70. And if you don't know, ask! It hurt more to not ask then to ask what may be a stupid question like, "Can I AoE here?" and keep from getting a vote kick over something that seems silly but is a big deal to some. To be honest, after the WHM I had to deal with, I'm to the point where if I run into anyone like her again and I explain something only to get a nasty reply, I'm going to hit that vote kick also and save myself the headache.

Let remember also - the reason we are running into these types of players who don't AoE, don't know how to play their own job fully, etc - are probably people who have spent their leveling days in POTD or FATE's. While POTD had it fun for us people who did floor 100-200, it became a curse when new people started using the lower floors for XPing. Not saying everyone who leveled in POTD is clueless of their job but let face it, there probably a lot more people coming out of POTD who don't know then the who do and took the time to learn.

And let not forget those lovely jump potions either.

I seen people not know how to play even before those. Like that person that gets level 50 in 4 days and was under geared in MSQ because they want to rush level over taking pride in what they do. Basically people flood the path of least resistance. Some get really shocked and state "no one told me before so I must be doing fine" (people do not comment usually because they fear of toxic defensive or being kicked over saying something.)

[kikix12]

If there are many mobs, not AoE'ing is...bad. With few mobs, the difference may not be as humongous and it can be waived. It'll also ease up on a healers healing who can DPS more. But other than healers whose AoE just plain out devours their mana (Gravity, Holy, Miasma II) while they need it far more for healing, others should spam their AoE's all the way to low TP.

For those that argue that this is a game and it should be played for fun...that's true. But there is a way it SHOULD be played, to begin with. Like in Chess, you don't move the knight forward, but in an L shape, here the plays success depends on numbers. Someone not being skilled enough to cap their numbers?! That's fine. If the content can be cleared it's good enough. Someone not WANTING to increase their numbers?! That's wrong. The AoE's were added to the classes so that they are used. Using them when they are the better option is how the game is "meant to be played".

If you don't enjoy playing the game how it's meant to be played, then there are two options. Limit your group playing to those that share your view...or change the game. It's meant to be for fun, but not every game is supposed to be fun for everyone. This just seems to not be fun for you. I don't like sport games so I don't play them. I don't want others to adapt them for me. If I play basketball in real life, I don't start running with the ball in my hands just cause it may feel "better" for me than dribbling, expecting others to adapt. And it's possible, like sub-optimal play here. I adapt to how it's meant to be played or not play it at all.