When dps dont aoe should they just get kicked from the start?

[bswpayton]

Unless you queu with a fixed party you shouldn't expect anything than the minimal.

Aoeing is the minimal tho, I dont care if a healer dpses, dont care if a tank wants to sit in tank stance on a dungeon boss. But a dps job is to dps , a person cant possibly really thing they can single target on some of these pulls, and it has no effect on the party. A dps not aoeing is literally coming unprepared and its like coming in without a job stone or something worse. Just because its df shouldnt mean people shouldnt try to put fourth even 10 percent effort thats literally all it takes. Id never rage on someone dyin to a dungeon boss but I am literally fed up with players who refuse to use their aoe when its something that is a must in a dungeon setting.

[silverlunarfox]

Aoeing is the minimal tho, I dont care if a healer dpses, dont care if a tank wants to sit in tank stance on a dungeon boss. But a dps job is to dps , a person cant possibly really thing they can single target on some of these pulls, and it has no effect on the party. A dps not aoeing is literally coming unprepared and its like coming in without a job stone or something worse. Just because its df shouldnt mean people shouldnt try to put fourth even 10 percent effort thats literally all it takes. Id never rage on someone dyin to a dungeon boss but I am literally fed up with players who refuse to use their aoe when its something that is a must in a dungeon setting.

Yes and no. As a ninja, i combine single targeting with AOE's thrown in typically. single targeting on the bigger enemies on the mob, AOE's spent on the trash. Works effectively. It really depends whats pulled, the dps in the party and such. So its not a dps coming unprepared. if you have a bard and blm, aoe away, but some that focus more on single target damage, say monk and drg...AOE can be less effective on some mob pulls vs what they can do singly.

AOE is not a MUST in a dungeon setting just because you think it is..........It is preferred, but not required.

[bswpayton]

Yes and no. As a ninja, i combine single targeting with AOE's thrown in typically. single targeting on the bigger enemies on the mob, AOE's spent on the trash. Works effectively. It really depends whats pulled, the dps in the party

This is extremely wrong , yea if your talkin about 3 add pulls sure single target away even 5 to 6 doesnt really matter. But when you get into eight and up and ur still single targeting then your just not even trying. I can go through even sb dungeon where single targeting is wrong. Sirensong, but groups pull before the first boss single targeting here is a no go and can lead to a wipe, the first pull after the first boss shouldnt be single target either, the second group before the second boss I guess can be single targeted but I would still use some aoe.

The pull after the second boss when you get like 10 to 12 adds if you are single targeting in that situation then you are doing ur party a disservice. In the following dungeon level 63 if tanks doing more than three adds at a time aoeing is a must are can lead to death, the only time single targeting is ok is the two groups before the third boss. In the 65 dungeon if tank pulls both groups and dps dont aoe then the tanks probably going to die, unless the other party members are pullin alot more weight than they should. The mobs next pull before second boss in the 65 dungeon is an aoe must situation are its gona be a wipe more than likely thats actually prob one of the harder pulls in the sb dungeons so far the rest of the dungeon is up in the air. The 67 dungeon if more than one group is pulled aoe is a must, in between first and second boss single target is ok, aoe is smart to do also before the last fine boss.

And literally in all the expert dungeons aoe is a must as well if your doing an expert dungeon and not aoeing u are just not even caring about anyone else but urself. Melee have plenty , of aoe monks have four aoes, and two tp regens, dragoons , has an aoe combo, and two off the gcd aoes, ninjas have murda however u spell it aoes, and sames have six different aoes to chose from this melee dont have aoe stuff is just wrong.

[OwlBlackX]

This would cruel kick them when not use aoe... Like WoW.

But, I understand it's pain. You can slap them "USE YOUR SKILL AOE!"

[silverlunarfox]

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It's wrong to you. Not everything is wrong because it goes against your opinion you know...........a ninja needs to single target every once and a while simply because of armor crush so you drop the debuff on the enemy you do it since armor crush does a good amount of damage. so why not make the fullest possible hit while doing it? there you go, single target plus aoe in the form of knives and some murdras with a frog here and there.

You are simply over thinking dungeons. They are simple and to the point. you do not NEED to aoe everything to death to be fast and efficient as proven by parties I have been in whether i tank, heal or dps. It also does not make a kick correct. It's poor sportsmanship to kick because they aren't doing something the way YOU would do it. If everyone did this no one would play the damn game, and its no wonder people don't tank or heal in the first place and choose to poorly dps.

Sirensong is pulled very differently by numerous tanks, as is EVERY dungeon. Aoe's are not always required. There is no set standard and thats what makes the game great imo. Nothing is ever quite the same.

So again, it comes down to how you feel dungeons should be run, and I'm sorry but not everyone thinks the way you do. and that does not make a kick right.

They nerfed alot of AOE's. Though summoner does still have fantastic AOE power which is what I prefer to use if I go into a dungeon with bigger typical mob pulls. But I've been in groups that have had aoeing dps and mobs simply just DONT DIE. at that point i'd almost prefer single target burn downs...esp when i run as a warrior.....only so many cooldowns.

Again, AOE's are not required. They are just preferred.

[silverlunarfox]

At the end of the day, it's just a game. Stop taking it so seriously. MUST HAVE TOP DEEPS, MUST AOE, MUST DEEPS MORE THAN HEAL, MUST NOT USE TANK STANCE. This is all how different people play when you browse the forums. People don't respect that people will never play identical to a person's ideals.

But do note, kicking for playstyle is simply toxicity at its finest.

o/

[Mikki]

Kicking someone without even telling them why won't solve the issue. If you don't like the way someone is playing, then you should speak up and tell them NICELY. Don't be a jerk about it, because that's how you get people who become unwilling to cooperate. Just suggest kindly, "I notice that you aren't using your aoes much, but I think it may really help speed things along if you wouldn't mind to use them." or something to that effect. Some people don't take well to criticism or being told how to play.. but many people just don't know better and haven't been taught otherwise and a little push in the right direction is all they really need.

I'm also a healer and I agree, people who don't aoe do make many dungeons a bit rougher. But I either try to direct them or I just deal with it. If you have a competent tank, try helping out by using thin air + presence of mind + holy spam. Be ready to use tetragrammaton or benediction for emergencies if you don't 100% trust your tank. But honestly holy spamming can help out a lot in these situations, I've found. Just gotta be careful to manage your mana well.

[Taika]

Always try to give them advice and encourage them to play better first. I think for any Duty Finder content it should be enough if the player tries to pull their weight, even if they won't succeed very well. But if they're not open for advice and just refuse to cooperate, feel free to initiate the vote kick. It is team content after all, so everyone joining is expected to put in some effort for the team.

[RosaLunaCelestia]

Question to understand something: if a dps dont aoe in big pulls . Can this be considerate as a different play style ?

Sincerely i not ask that to kick xD i dont care what pple do as long we do the dongeon and not wipe all times.

[Aomine1992]

I just don't see the issue lol I haven't seen the dungeon move any faster or slower :/ maybe an extra minute or two but that's not a big deal it's leveling content