When dps dont aoe should they just get kicked from the start?

[dragonseth07]

It's wrong to you. Not everything is wrong because it goes against your opinion you know

Fortunately for us, there are objective ways to gauge proper and improper techniques. Much of the fighting between players in this game is between people who look at numbers and people who don't. More DPS is better. It's as simple as that. That's why rotations and openers are very few and very strict. They are optimized.

Edit: Obviously, there are cases like wasps that require ST focus, but those are not the norm.

As to the OP's question: Ask them to AoE. If they don't, kick them. Just like you deal with Ice Mages or Ninjas that don't use Mudras because they "don't like them", White Mages who won't Regen... The list goes on, the response is the same.

[Gallus]

No don't, or maybe do, but that'll make you a douche. There are some people that are deliberately bad or that are still learning their single target rotations, let alone their aoe, I bet some don't even have it binded. If you come across these people, yes it gets a bit boring because dungeon takes a bit longer than usual, but booting them from the dungeon won't solve anything and they won't get any better. Basically just accept it and understand there are a lot of players that are not interested in being optimal, they just probably play the game because of graphics, glamour and social component. I don't share this mentality, I like aiming for good rotations and fast clear times, but it's very clear too there are a lot of people that don't. You can't go around booting them from dungeons not only because it's disrespectful but because you'll be booting people every other dungeon xD. Just do smaller pulls.

[Aylis]

Question to understand something: if a dps dont aoe in big pulls . Can this be considerate as a different play style ?

Sincerely i not ask that to kick xD i dont care what pple do as long we do the dongeon and not wipe all times.

In the eyes of SE and the GM's, yes it seems that it is. Although technically to a person who may not be comfortable with big pulls, the tank zooms forward and nabs 8-12 mobs. To the one who's not comfortable with big pulls this is also a "difference in play style" and the tank is just as subject to being kicked. The whole difference in play style thing is a really slippery slope and I'm honestly shocked sometimes dungeons even get done at all with it hanging over everyones head like an anvil on a breaking string. I agree, as long as the dungeon gets done and there's no wipes, all is good in my world. People just really need to learn in PUG setting to meet everyone in the middle, accept not every DF party will be that persons perfect party, go with what ya got and just do the dang thing.

[bswpayton]

In the eyes of SE and the GM's, yes it seems that it is. Although technically to a person who may not g.

I honestly try to do this but i get so triggered when hg wears off. And my tp is spent from using the only aoe I have on Pali while the monk or Sam has a full tp because they refused to do a single aoe. It's just wrong , like it's just as bad if I choose not to use a single df cool down on tanks. I just don't get how people could see it differently. Staying in tank stance has warrant even , healers playing safe has warrant. But a dps attacking one add I don't follow who do they think is killing the rest of those adds if they haven't even touched them.

[kupokage]

I main a MCH and I have many reasons not to AoE on big pulls. I single burst a target If that particlar mob...

- Spawns other mobs (Summoners in Kugane)
- Hits too hard to be in a big pull (i.e. it was in a pack by itself and was pulled into the rest of the remaining packs)
- Does party wide damage or big single damage (Qarn bees)

So on n so forth.

[SendohJin]

Again, AOE's are not required. They are just preferred.

there are many degrees of preferred. when the tank pulls more than 3 mobs, AOEing is on the side of you really should do it if you're not a terrible person.

[bswpayton]

I main a MCH and I have many reasons not to AoE on big .

That's y tanks have df cool downs in many situations those big adds with lots of up don't have to be taken out first. U can take out the small adds first then burst the larger one's down. For example in the level 69 dungeon I pull all the adds prior to the pack before u go outside, if u don't aoe there either the healer will be low on mana or the tank woll

[SendohJin]

I main a MCH and I have many reasons not to AoE on big pulls.

- Spawns other mobs (Summoners in Kugane)

you have a few very specific reasons not to AoE for a short period of time. and when those reasons go away do you AoE or not? everybody knows to kill Summoners in Kugane, what do you do after it's dead and the other 5 mobs are not? if you start AoEing this topic isn't about you.

more specifically, do you Rook or Bishop that pull?

[Mirateski]

I bet some don't even have it binded.

If you don't have your Aoe(s) bound in EX roulette, then you're terrible, honestly. (generic you)

I'd respond much like I do to anyone playing poorly (ie blms without eno, summoners and bards without dots, all that) and ask them nicely, then kick them if they have an attitude. I once said to a single-target nin "Ninja's AoE is good, you know" and their response was to get really defensive then say "kick me if you don' tlike how I play". So I did. And it went through and their tank buddy left too but we got a replacement immediately. So, don't be a jerk, and I won't kick you.

Gotta say it gets really tiresome to hve to tell people in ex roul of all things to use skills they got at lv18, though.

[bswpayton]

I main a MCH and I have many reasons not to AoE on big .

That's y tanks have df cool downs in many situations those big adds with lots of up don't have to be taken out first. U can take out the small adds first then burst the larger one's down. For example in the level 69 dungeon I pull all the adds prior to the pack before u go outside, if u don't aoe there either the healer will be low on mana or the tank will be out of cool downs.