Why CNJ > WHM & THM > BLM does make sense: A canoical study.

[Wynn]

Lines from "Law and the Order" Level 36 THM quest:

Overweening Thaumaturge: "You know nothing of thaumaturgy. Wealth, sin, virtue--the pillars of the Order. These are naught but mere words to your feeble mind!

I'llofii: "You presume much for a novice. I pity you your ignorance. It is you who does not understand. We bear sin that we might recognize the seeds of evil harbored within us all. And with that knowing, we might then come to know ourselves. That we are who we are both because of them and despite them. You have committed the most unthinkable of acts. And you have stained your blood black in the doing. Such blood has no place in our Order. "

Video of the quest here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJhsotGGaII

[Duuude007]

Very interesting but, why does no one take into account the other temple in Uldah. You know. . . the one that worships the other aspect of Nald'Thal the one that worships LIFE.

Because that is not where THM hang out?

Yes, they do.

I think you are confusing two completely different places in Ul'dah.

Millvaneth Sacrarium worships the aspect of Nald, aka LIFE
Presently no guild resides in the temple of Nald

Arrzaneth Ossuary worships the aspect of Thal, aka DEATH
Presently the Thaumaturge guild resides in the temple of Thal

[Wynn]

I think you are confusing two completely different places in Ul'dah.

Millvaneth Sacrarium worships the aspect of Nald, aka LIFE
Presently no guild resides in the temple of Nald

Arrzaneth Ossuary worships the aspect of Thal, aka DEATH
Presently the Thaumaturge guild resides in the temple of Thal

NO!

The temples are dedicated to the two aspects but they are the same Order. The Order of Nald'thal. They are ALL Thaumaturges.

[Duuude007]

NO!

The temples are dedicated to the two aspects but they are the same Order. The Order of Nald'thal. They are ALL Thaumaturges.

Then explain why this NPC says this:

Tutubuki: "If you would walk these halls, you must know of Nald'thal, the two aspects. It is Nald who rules over this world of the living, and Thal who keeps the realm of the dead... All which lives must die, and to cross over one must be devout of mind─a true follower of Thal."

and this:

Fyrilsunn: "Arrzaneth Ossuary is the temple of Thal... His aspect is that of death and darkness, that which we shall all come to know in time. Many of the poor and destitute worship here. For it is they who seek a better place in death than they knew in life."


The other temple is without guild...

[Griss]

If you must use Good and Evil as descriptive terms. Ideologically thm is neither, it walks the fuzzy grey line.

The other temple is without guild...

true. but its not exactly filled marauders and conjurers now is it?

[Duuude007]

Good and evil are in the eye of the beholder. How often have you seen apart from TV or movies, has someone arrested said:

You have thwarted my evil plans!

Im sure that some of the darkest people we can think of in history thought of themselves as virtuous.

[Wynn]

Then explain why this NPC says this:

Tutubuki: "If you would walk these halls, you must know of Nald'thal, the two aspects. It is Nald who rules over this world of the living, and Thal who keeps the realm of the dead... All which lives must die, and to cross over one must be devout of mind─a true follower of Thal."

Your own quote specifically states Nald'thal and how the duality is present....

and this:

Fyrilsunn: "Arrzaneth Ossuary is the temple of Thal... His aspect is that of death and darkness, that which we shall all come to know in time. Many of the poor and destitute worship here. For it is they who seek a better place in death than they knew in life."


The other temple is without guild...

The Ossuary IS the temple dedicated to Thal. The Sacrarium is the temple dedicated to the aspect of Nald. It is the same order in both.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASwy5...eature=related

5:02 Read what Momodi says.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkIyC2TphmA

0:08 Read what Yayako says.

I'm done arguing with people that have zero clue what they are talking about. Oh Internetz....

[Lerris]

The #1 reason this took people by surprise:

In EVERY Final Fantasy to date, Black Mage, where identified as such, has been a specialist in elemental nukes.
Which means, there is only one candidate class for BLM. Conjurer. It'll be interesting to see how this is resolved.

[RemVye]

You guys... all I can say is

John 3:16 read that
Pope II 4:19 read that
Jwalking across the street 5:95
Heath Cliff episode 4 watch it
TMNT final chapter
Ludacris volume III listen to that


That explains everything

[Physic]

The #1 reason this took people by surprise:

In EVERY Final Fantasy to date, Black Mage, where identified as such, has been a specialist in elemental nukes.
Which means, there is only one candidate class for BLM. Conjurer. It'll be interesting to see how this is resolved.

the elemental nukes were just a means to an ends the overall defining feature is

The Black Mage is the offensive magic caster of the Light Warriors. While the Black Mage has weak combat skills and the lowest HP out of any character class, he is capable of inflicting negative status effects and causing great damage to the enemy with his Black Magic. They have the appeareance of a human dressed in a blue cloak, with only eyes glowing in the dark of his face.

the real focus is destruction, now usually they use elemental magic to do this, so one could if one wanted to call them an elementalist, but that was not the overall feature of the class. I think thm was always planned to be the more destructive class. they even said so in the website description.

but really they wanted to split the elementalist from the blm, and make more rounded out mages, but the darkness stays with the thms, the conjurers are really something a bit different, elementalists first and foremost.

So really thm is the most blm class, but con is not that whm like, it would be closer to an elementalist, but they altered this when they gave them more white magic and made them better at healing. Anyhow point is a blm doesnt need elemental spells, in fact its strongest spells are usually non elemental, gravija, meteor, ultima, scourge. anyhow whm is a specialty of conjurer now, focusing on the healing aspects, but thms job only has 1 healing spell in its whole list, and 1 buff, the buff is basically an absorb spell, and the healing spells requires hp loss. In order to focus on the healing/buffing aspect of its job, thaum would need a lot more healing/buffing abilities.