Please Please Please Remove Esuna From CrossRole

[technole]

Stoneskin was not great in HW, it was already a step out of the door. Benison is the new mitigation for WHM and that's okay.

Five slots is fine, just protect is a bit of a hazy situation as YoshiP did want to remove it but got some flack internally because of how can you have a FF game without it. If that skill was just passive, threads like this wouldn't exist. More or less every fight is a different. Savage is the same way, you really don't use the same five skills in every floor. Sooner or later they will probably throw a mechanic where Heavy (Break) could be useful again. You have to remember they did an analysis on every skill that every role should have.

Some may think some skills don't have value, but they also haven't done every content available in the game (O4S Surecast), or know that there was old content that actually had use for some of the skills when they were relevant (Heavy in A3S/Turn 5. Now that healers lost DPS skills that had the heavy trait).

[Trunks]

I usually take Protect and my co-healer takes Esuna (I don't swap out protect because people die and swapping your role skills every pull is unbelievably tedious). Outside of Savage you don't have to worry about enrage timers, and I take both. Why is this difficult? And what else am I going to take? Rescue? I'd get reported for griefing within an hour.

[Tridus]

I usually take Protect and my co-healer takes Esuna (I don't swap out protect because people die and swapping your role skills every pull is unbelievably tedious). Outside of Savage you don't have to worry about enrage timers, and I take both. Why is this difficult? And what else am I going to take? Rescue? I'd get reported for griefing within an hour.

When you're doing coordinated group stuff, that makes the most sense.

In DF, I just leave Esuna in all the time and the Protect Swap macro is a beautiful thing. Then if the other person doesn't bother doing either, we're still covered.

[QT_Melon]

Some may think some skills don't have value, but they also haven't done every content available in the game (O4S Surecast), or know that there was old content that actually had use for some of the skills when they were relevant (Heavy in A3S/Turn 5. Now that healers lost DPS skills that had the heavy trait).

Yes, but that's raid specific. Keep in mind this brings newer players in the game, and they may hit an old encounter that requires Esuna but they wouldn't know to bring it in their skillset till it's too late. That's problematic.

[technole]

Yes, but that's raid specific. Keep in mind this brings newer players in the game, and they may hit an old encounter that requires Esuna but they wouldn't know to bring it in their skillset till it's too late. That's problematic.

Big deal, wipe and learn. Even raiders do the same thing. Every role has something that is encounter specific.

[Rawrz]

Big deal, wipe and learn. Even raiders do the same thing. Every role has something that is encounter specific.

Right? Surecast becomes godly in V4s, pointless everywhere else.

Unless you're a healer... in Sophia EX... popping surecast and pulling DPS beside you... in the middle...just before tilt... thatll teach you to stack for heals.

[QT_Melon]

Big deal, wipe and learn. Even raiders do the same thing. Every role has something that is encounter specific.

Yes, but a lot of old dungeons were designed for healers to use Esuna. This "swapping" every time you go to a different encounter between regular and savage content gets to be a bit cumbersome if you now have to swap for each dungeon as well. The whole point of cross roles was to downsize button bloat, but they now cause the juggling problem.

The problem with the juggling isn't so much juggling one skill for specific encounters, but staple mitigation skills that EVERY HEALER HAD was put into the pool.

What would have been a better idea was something like Fluid Aura being a cross role. As much as I liked Fluid Aura, it was still situational and not a "must have" in button bloat. Repose is another one that could have gone in the cross roles.