Please make enmity values more transparent

[Fyrebrand]

if it tells you ''increased emnity'' the higher the potency relative to the other ones that say ''increased emnity'' the more it generates

Well, I understand that enmity is always generated when damage is dealt, on a base level. But I don't think the game makes it clear whether the "increased enmity" remains in proportion to the amount of damage, or if it's a static amount added on top. And Flash doesn't do any damage at all, so I mean... what conclusion are people supposed to draw from that?

If you go by the enmity chart that was linked, each skill seems to have different modifiers, as well as a "potency" of enmity associated with them. Unless I'm misunderstanding, it seems like this just demonstrates that there is a lot of disagreement about how enmity is generated, with no canonical reference that can resolve the issue.

[LilLemay]

-snip cause char. limit-

to my understanding, emnity generated is proportional to the damage done. That's why BLM openers are awful for tanks if not handled correct because it's just a million damage done so fast. The "increased emnity" is just a multiplier that takes the damage done and multiplies it by.. however much, to create the emnity value. As far as flash goes it does technically speaking do damage as far as the game is concerned, despite the fact that it doesn't actually hit them it reacts in the same exact way every other damage dealing move does.

I do agree that there's alot of disagreement of exactly how much emnity is generated and how that's calculated, but the game does a very good job of laying out which ones are your strongest emnity tools and which ones are your weakest via their potency, or their order in a combo, or simply the order level with which you get the skill.

The only anomaly I can think of to that is actually simply flash, because WAR and DRK's are very nicely laid out, and so are PLD's up until you realize that flash is alot stronger than it seems to be simply because they don't give us enough information on flash itself

[Cabalabob]

Seems like flash needs its tooltip updated. It's true most new tanks don't realise how strong it is, and that's probably because you can't really gauge what it's doing with no numbers.

I imagine they'd get a better sense of what it does if the tooltip said "generates the enmity equivalent to a 600 potency attack in an area of effect around the caster". I can picture all the fresh faced gladiators going "woah 600!?".

The way information is displayed really does change the way people think about it. Increases enmity, just doesn't tell you much. 600 potency makes it sound broken.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Seems like flash needs its tooltip updated. It's true most new tanks don't realise how strong it is, and that's probably because you can't really gauge what it's doing with no numbers.

I imagine they'd get a better sense of what it does if the tooltip said "generates the enmity equivalent to a 600 potency attack in an area of effect around the caster". I can picture all the fresh faced gladiators going "woah 600!?".

The way information is displayed really does change the way people think about it. Increases enmity, just doesn't tell you much. 600 potency makes it sound broken.

Yeah, knowing the enmity values really changes how you look at things.

Shield Lob - 360
Flash - 600
Savage Blade (uncomboed) - 350
Savage Blade (comboed) - 700 (425 FB -> SB average)
Rage of Halone (uncomboed) - 500
Rage of Halone (comboed) - 1300 (716 FB -> SB -> RoH average)
Circle of Scorn - 300 + 150 from the dot

[EusisLandale]

It would help stop people complaining about being unable to hold aggro at low levels when they can see how strong Flash is, so I'm all for it. Here's an up to date list of the enmity modifiers:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/wiki/enmity

From that, "All healing done has a 0.5× multiplier, including area of effect heals and heal over time effects." and "Clemency's actual heal generates 50% of the heal as enmity. The self-heal from healing other players generates no enmity." makes me wonder about Bloodbath. Can it be viewed as a 12.5% enmity increase to physical damage or does it not generate any?
Similarly does the .5x multiplier apply to any self heals at all, Souleater, Storm's Path, etc., or is it limited strictly to more direct methods?

[Cabalabob]

Gonna bump this cause in stormblood they doubled the potency on things like flash and based on the tooltips there's no way to tell that they got bumped from the equivalent of 600 potency to 1200 potency and unleash now has a 20x enmity modifier! If they're going to constantly adjust these enmity values it would be nice if they would display them.

[aqskerorokero]

the boss is looking at you? then you are good.....

[347SPECTRE]

It would be helpful to have an actual numeric enmity meter for Tanks

[SunAurel]

I'd love it if there was an interface element kinda like the aggro bars on the party list but it only displays the aggro difference between me and the 2nd highest one in the aggro ranking - preferably bigger with % or numbers

The party list is ok-ish but one hud element that Cycles through #2 and displays if your ot is 2nd or someone else with one quick glance at an ui element that isn't as huge as the list sounds nice

[MPNZ]

I thought they already had implemented bars to tell you the aggro levels on a target? Anyway, they could just move the yellow to red markers to the monster's name, or something like that. But, it would be hard to see in large pulls.

Try sticking to basics until then: shield lob, flash, flash, combo, flash, combo while weaving in procs and rotating your defensive cooldowns with a flash every now and then to refresh.