Just another thread asking for in-game parsing for ps4 users

[Mycow8me]

I read your post in its entirety, the problem is your trying to discredit the use of a personal parser when it obviously has uses in raid environment while claiming act is more helpful. The problem here is that your more concerned with analyzing a problem or finding the weakest link instead of overall individual player improvement. Act cannot do this realtime. Looking at charts and graphs is one thing, seeing it while its happening is another.

Sorry ma'am I'm done. I agree to disagree at this point.

[HyoMinPark]

I read your post in its entirety, the problem is your trying to discredit the use of a personal parser when it obviously has uses in raid environment while claiming act is more helpful. The problem here is that your more concerned with analyzing a problem or finding the weakest link instead of overall individual player improvement. Act cannot do this realtime. Looking at charts and graphs is one thing, seeing it while its happening is another.

Because if you are in content with a party that continues to fail to meet enrage, sometimes you have to analyze the performance in such a way to find what's wrong, and that includes finding if there are any "weakest links" and working on focused improvement for that member, or replacing them.

I never made any mentions about ACT specifically. I was talking about implemented group parsers compared to your implemented personal parser, which, since you mention ACT, can be configured to show just personal DPS. I'm not trying to get anyone to "agree" with me; I'm just trying to show players that this unnecessary hostile attitude that has been displayed by some of the anti-parser people in this thread, among others that have popped up on the forum in the past, is just as toxic than the few individuals that act like jerks, and use parsers to do so.

[Mycow8me]

I'm just trying to show players that this unnecessary hostile attitude that has been displayed by some of the anti-parser people in this thread, among others that have popped up on the forum in the past, is just as toxic than the few individuals that act like jerks, and use parsers to do so.

No I'm not content with a party that continues to fail to meet enrage but I'm also not content with finding the weakest link. We have different mindsets, that's all. I don't go around asking for DPS numbers or bother with others DPS. Implementing group parsers is cumbersome since things like act already exist.

I'm trying to explain to you that individual player improvement should be prioritized or the ultimate goal of a parse, if you immediately start to analyze for the problem or "weakest link" among "group DPS" you are falling into the antiparser communities trap. You should strive for individual player improvement at their own discretion and a toggleable, realtime, dps parser is the best way to go about it. Again we disagree but its whatever at this point.

Edit: Honestly PS4 players have nothing, the thread should have stayed on topic for them.

[AlexionSkylark]

that includes finding if there are any "weakest links" and working on focused improvement for that member, or replacing them.

SE will NEVER, EVER, EVER endorse that kind of thought process. EVER.

[Taika]

SE will NEVER, EVER, EVER endorse that kind of thought process. EVER.

I'm not sure if I understand what you're saying. Maybe try more caps?

Edit: To actually contribute, this is a thing that has already happened, is currently happening, and will always happen. There being an official parser compared to current unofficial one won't change that in any way. Exact same things in player behaviour are still forbidden or allowed. What having an official parser does is make this process visible for everyone, and as such more fair. If someone gets kicked, they will know it was because they were underperforming and aren't left to wonder, or if someone is unfairly accused of underperforming they can prove those accusations wrong.

Funny story, just last week, I was accused of underperforming in OS3, "looking for a carry". I did some silly mistakes (being nervous running in a pug), but I was also the top DPS. The party might have kicked me, but didn't (probably thanks to someone parsing!). With an official parser, I would never have had to face that threat in the first place.

[HyoMinPark]

SE will NEVER, EVER, EVER endorse that kind of thought process. EVER.

SE cannot force a particular playstyle upon the playerbase as a whole. They don't endorse or condone things like harassment, but they can't force players to adhere to a singular playstyle (e.g., forcing players to carry bad or lazy players). You don't like the removal of the weakest link playstyle, and that's fine. I prefer to work on improvement unless it's obvious there is nothing that can be done to improve performance, and at that point, you have to remove the problem if you ever hope to progress. Ultimately, however, whatever SE "condones" or "doesn't condone" has zero baring on how the community plays this game.

Don't like Min-maxing Mentality? Don't do it, and don't hang around people who do. Don't like to carry people? Then don't. Want to coddle people and their feelings, and not remove them from a group even though they're hindering progression? You do you. No one will force you to not carry people, or to parse. But you also cannot force other players to carry, or to not parse just because you don't like it.

Whether this was your point or premise in your post, I have no idea. Since it was so incredibly vague and not in any way constructive/contributing to the discussion at hand at all. Though, I am curious as to where you saw that I said SE does condone (and should condone) the playstyle of myself or others who are "pro-parser." That inference is lost on me.

[AlexionSkylark]

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The point and premise of my post is that there won't EVER be an official in-game parser in this game that lets you see how others in your party are performing. The game is meant to be inclusive, not exclusive. They have a clear stance on that kind of behavior, which is exactly why they adopt this "don't ask, don't tell" policy. They want us to keep our performance to ourselves, or tight-knit static groups at most (possibly because then it is impossible to control). Other than that, it is not nor will never be OK to shun, kick from party or badmouth fellow players for reasons of performance.

SE, Yoshi-P and the devs as a whole take the official stance that they are AGAINST this behavior of "removing weakest links". Based on all official responses given to this parser subject, that is tantamount to harassment. So you and everyone else can quite surely give up hoping they will ever provide an official way of judging your fellow party member's performance. Again, SE won't ever, EVER, EVER endorse this thought process (by providing an in-game tool to be used for that purpose). This entire discussion is pointless and will ammount to absolutely nothing. As all others that came before.

I hope I made myself clear now.

[DRHaymaker]

The point and premise of my post is that there won't EVER be an official in-game parser in this game that lets you see how others in your party are performing.

An official SE branded parser? No, Probably not. Will there be tools available that allow for ingame parsers? Far more likely.

The game is meant to be inclusive, not exclusive.

Again, you're arguing a social problem, not with any mechanics of the game. There are plenty of things in game like "Duty Completed" that fosters an exclusive attitude, and "Bonus shaming" as a form of toxicity. Even the most casual of raiders who mostly PuG raids experiences this at some point, and condones it by staying silent - the same kind of thing that you would fear happen if parsers were allowed in any official capacity.

They want us to keep our performance to ourselves, or tight-knit static groups at most (possibly because then it is impossible to control). Other than that, it is not nor will never be OK to shun, kick from party or badmouth fellow players for reasons of performance.

Well it is a multiplayer game - you can't keep performance to yourself in any group. Sometimes it's super evident when you're not performing (bard crit buff for example), and you can't keep that to yourself. Also again, you can be kicked for "play style differences" - players are wholly within their right to do that.

Based on all official responses given to this parser subject, that is tantamount to harassment.

Everyone is so quick to self-victimize and cry harassment these days. Call me cynical to not buy into their victimhood at face value.

Again, SE won't ever, EVER, EVER endorse this thought process (by providing an in-game tool to be used for that purpose).

If SE ever does stay true to their word and gives the tools for people to create addons, they will.

This entire discussion is pointless and will ammount to absolutely nothing. As all others that came before.

Most discussions on this board are pointless - but you're not here for a discussion, you're here to repeat your diatribe and shout over people's heads. That is truly pointless.

[AlexionSkylark]

If SE ever does stay true to their word and gives the tools for people to create addons, they will..

What are you talking about? Yoshi-P already stated multiple times that he will never allow for addons in FFXIV

[Altena]

Other than that, it is not nor will never be OK to shun, kick from party or badmouth fellow players for reasons of performance.
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Look, with or without parsers - harassment happens based on performance whether you like it or not.
A knowledgeable enough player doesn't need a parser to notice who isn't doing that well.
As said, the people that genuinely harass other people are just toxic people, and you don't need a parser to be a toxic person.


What's the difference between:
"Your damage is weak. Learn your job."
and
"You're only doing 2.5k when you should be at least over 3.5k".

If you ask me, the 2nd statement is actually a bit kinder.

Anyway to the main point..
It's a team game.
If one person is holding 7 other people back from clearing, it's absolutely acceptable that the person holding the group back, bows out. If not on their own account, then the leader has the right to remove them. Just like the leader has the right to remove someone because they don't like someone's attitude.. It's the party leader's choice in a party finder group.

Want to know why people get silently kicked? Because telling them the reason can be construed as harassment, and there are a lot of spiteful snowflakes in the world that can't take criticism - especially in the current generation.
Why should players who have been farming content for weeks (as an example), be held back or carry someone through the content that just isn't up to scratch with their performance?
I am an inclusive person, but I will feel a little frustrated if the party can't clear because one player fails to understand that they aren't performing well.
However, and here's the kicker - telling them (even with the most angelic sentence possible) will inevitably be considered "harassment".

Perhaps a parser may actually be able to show them how far behind their performance actually is - so they can you know... work to improve and beat the content on their own regard?
Just food for thought.