Just another thread asking for in-game parsing for ps4 users

[HyoMinPark]

Yes, it doesnt matter if they are helping, if they are breaking the rules, then they are breaking the rules. And deserve whatever punishment they are given.

And as are you by filing excessive and false reports.

Unfortunately for you, SE isn't going to ban people based on "video evidence" or "guide evidence" that they use parsers, nor are they going to ban people unless they actively harass other players on multiple occasions, which, at those point, it's more they get punished for the harassment aspect, not the parser aspect. Most people get is a "slap on the wrist" or a "stern talking to" in the GM Gaol (see the reddit post someone made after they were reported just for mentioning that they had "parsed purple" and the GM humored them with a question about pineapple pizzas) because SE is aware that players use parsers, and they turn a blind eye to them as long as people aren't jerks about it. Which is the majority of the parsing community.

[Khemorex]

Despite being a "no" everyone everywhere has a parser and can look at their active read-out to know exactly how much damage they are doing and when. As a ps4 player, i can only ask others how i did. At the end. Knowing how subtle changes can affect my parse is vital to mastering a class. Like say on BLM, knowing when to throw thunder3 instead of foul....and stuff

thats ok, but as you can see for yourself in this thread theres a lot of people who will always come up with something like "carrying bad people" or "oooh my feelings are hurt that much that coz i had to carry someone whos isnt that good as me and my run took 3 min longer :P we need parser to show those baaaaaaaaaaaaaad people how bad they really are :P" and so on , wich has nothing to do with your initial request for a parser.

As long theres people like that , we are not gona have an official parser^^

[Maero]

That is why many are calling for Personal Parsers, you know so only the user can see their own damage, how can this be toxic like say a parser where everyone can see?
I would love an add on for parsing but this topic which has been around for a while i do not believe it would ever come to reality

[Taika]

That is why many are calling for Personal Parsers, you know so only the user can see their own damage, how can this be toxic like say a parser where everyone can see?

Since enrages are a thing in group content, there should be a group parser available. The group parser should only be limited to party finder groups, so that players could choose to join or not to join groups that are using one. Or, it could be limited to only Raid Finder content (Savage and Extremes), which is the only (current) content with DPS checks, and the people who join this content should be willing to do their part for the part DPS.

If Square were to only give us personal parses, people would be quick to ask for screenshots of said parses to compare and to analyze, as well as to give feedback. The lack of transparency might cause worse situations and behaviour imho.

Yup, the parsers should definitely be group parsers, for transparency is the only way to guarantee fairness.

And again, as a reminder, implementing a parser still does not mean any harassment would be allowed.

[NinjaTaru72]

That is why many are calling for Personal Parsers, you know so only the user can see their own damage, how can this be toxic like say a parser where everyone can see?
I would love an add on for parsing but this topic which has been around for a while i do not believe it would ever come to reality

See, even with all my "toxicness" I had agreed to this, and even mentioned it, I none of my posts.

Personal parsers won't allow you to berate other players.

[Tigerlilley]

See, even with all my "toxicness" I had agreed to this, and even mentioned it, I none of my posts.

Personal parsers won't allow you to berate other players.

You'd graciously stop reporting to ban players when it's something you'd agree with? Wow, what a hero.

Personal parsers would be utterly useless without comparison to the community. Meaningless numbers would be meaningless.

So no, you're wrong again. They would absolutely allow people to berate other players. That's not the reason anyone should be advocating for personal parsers.

I'm actually embarrassed for you at this point. The loudest voice in this thread couldn't be more hypocritical, poorly researched or flat wrong.

[Mycow8me]

You'd graciously stop reporting to ban players when it's something you'd agree with? Wow, what a hero.

Personal parsers would be utterly useless without comparison to the community. Meaningless numbers would be meaningless.

So no, you're wrong again. They would absolutely allow people to berate other players. That's not the reason anyone should be advocating for personal parsers.

I'm actually embarrassed for you at this point. The loudest voice in this thread couldn't be more hypocritical, poorly researched or flat wrong.

No, see this is why its hard for people to get behind parsers when people talk like this. A personal parser will allow someone to see what works better for gear and their class and gauge whether or not something worked out better vs mechanics but most importantly "improve". The problem with Comparing to others is a disparity in ilvls and situation. A full time off tank is going to do a lot more than a full time main tank etc...

Personal parsers are the best way to go about it and leaves it up to the player to decide how and if they want to use it. That is all there is to it.

[AlexionSkylark]

There is NO reason anyone would want to see the parse of anyone other than yourself unless you want to judge said player's performance or to rub your e-peen.

Both of those reasons are toxic and have no place in this game.
So yeah, outside of personal parsing, this will NEVER be implemented.

[DRHaymaker]

There is NO reason anyone would want to see the parse of anyone other than yourself unless you want to judge said player's performance or to rub your e-peen.

Except when your group is hitting enrage timers, or not burning down important targets fast enough...or if someone is just plainly slacking.

Have also seen the infrequent time when someone else was curious of their own parse in groups.

[HyoMinPark]

No, see this is why its hard for people to get behind parsers when people talk like this. A personal parser will allow someone to see what works better for gear and their class and gauge whether or not something worked out better vs mechanics but most importantly "improve". The problem with Comparing to others is a disparity in ilvls and situation. A full time off tank is going to do a lot more than a full time main tank etc...

Personal parsers are the best way to go about it and leaves it up to the player to decide how and if they want to use it. That is all there is to it.

Except that personal parsers would be completely useless in content where parsing actually matters: that is, current Extreme Primals and Savage Raids (and soon to be the Super Savage/Ultimate raid). You can't look at group DPS in personal parsers, and asking for all 8 members to post said parses in some public chat channel is just completely unnecessary work when a group parser for such content already has all the information there and readily available. Group DPS is what matters when it comes to clearing these fights, and meeting the enrage timer. Sure, to an extent, personal DPS is also important, but without a group parser, statics and parties would have no easy, readily accessible way of knowing whether the thing that was causing them to fail is individual DPS or group DPS; individual failings with healing; individual failings with tanking. The list goes on.

Parsers don't matter for "casual" content that don't have enrages (e.g., 4-man dungeons and 24-man alliance raids). But they do matter in 8-man content. They are used for personal improvement, yes, but a pervasive, primary function of parsers is use in static/8-man settings to judge group DPS and see if the party has what it takes to clear the content, or if they need to work on something. This is where using parsers in conjunction with a certain website becomes invaluably useful. I know that, without using both resources when analyzing my own static's performance in V3S progression, we would not have been able to pinpoint the issues that were holding us back, and work on fixing them.

That's something an individual parser cannot give. While I'm not opposed to the idea of individual, personal parsers, I think that content reliant on good group DPS in order to meet enrage should call for a party parser. Again, it's not like SE is going to suddenly make harassing others a-okay with the implementation of such a thing. I doubt they'll ever change their stance on parsers or implement one in-game, considering that arguments like this always arise when someone, like the OP of the thread, just innocently requests a parser for personal use, but I still like to throw in my two cents into the discussions. It's tiring seeing one side claim how "bad" parsers are, and how "toxic" everyone that parses is; such sweeping generalizations really irk me. There are, of course, bad apples in every bunch, but people shouldn't blame the tool because those bad apples use it incorrectly.

There is NO reason anyone would want to see the parse of anyone other than yourself unless you want to judge said player's performance or to rub your e-peen.

Both of those reasons are toxic and have no place in this game.
So yeah, outside of personal parsing, this will NEVER be implemented.

See what I wrote above. Personal parsers would be completely useless in 8-man content that actually calls for decent group DPS to meet enrage timers.