Just another thread asking for in-game parsing for ps4 users

[Tigerlilley]

See, even with all my "toxicness" I had agreed to this, and even mentioned it, I none of my posts.

Personal parsers won't allow you to berate other players.

You'd graciously stop reporting to ban players when it's something you'd agree with? Wow, what a hero.

Personal parsers would be utterly useless without comparison to the community. Meaningless numbers would be meaningless.

So no, you're wrong again. They would absolutely allow people to berate other players. That's not the reason anyone should be advocating for personal parsers.

I'm actually embarrassed for you at this point. The loudest voice in this thread couldn't be more hypocritical, poorly researched or flat wrong.

[Mycow8me]

You'd graciously stop reporting to ban players when it's something you'd agree with? Wow, what a hero.

Personal parsers would be utterly useless without comparison to the community. Meaningless numbers would be meaningless.

So no, you're wrong again. They would absolutely allow people to berate other players. That's not the reason anyone should be advocating for personal parsers.

I'm actually embarrassed for you at this point. The loudest voice in this thread couldn't be more hypocritical, poorly researched or flat wrong.

No, see this is why its hard for people to get behind parsers when people talk like this. A personal parser will allow someone to see what works better for gear and their class and gauge whether or not something worked out better vs mechanics but most importantly "improve". The problem with Comparing to others is a disparity in ilvls and situation. A full time off tank is going to do a lot more than a full time main tank etc...

Personal parsers are the best way to go about it and leaves it up to the player to decide how and if they want to use it. That is all there is to it.

[AlexionSkylark]

There is NO reason anyone would want to see the parse of anyone other than yourself unless you want to judge said player's performance or to rub your e-peen.

Both of those reasons are toxic and have no place in this game.
So yeah, outside of personal parsing, this will NEVER be implemented.

[HyoMinPark]

No, see this is why its hard for people to get behind parsers when people talk like this. A personal parser will allow someone to see what works better for gear and their class and gauge whether or not something worked out better vs mechanics but most importantly "improve". The problem with Comparing to others is a disparity in ilvls and situation. A full time off tank is going to do a lot more than a full time main tank etc...

Personal parsers are the best way to go about it and leaves it up to the player to decide how and if they want to use it. That is all there is to it.

Except that personal parsers would be completely useless in content where parsing actually matters: that is, current Extreme Primals and Savage Raids (and soon to be the Super Savage/Ultimate raid). You can't look at group DPS in personal parsers, and asking for all 8 members to post said parses in some public chat channel is just completely unnecessary work when a group parser for such content already has all the information there and readily available. Group DPS is what matters when it comes to clearing these fights, and meeting the enrage timer. Sure, to an extent, personal DPS is also important, but without a group parser, statics and parties would have no easy, readily accessible way of knowing whether the thing that was causing them to fail is individual DPS or group DPS; individual failings with healing; individual failings with tanking. The list goes on.

Parsers don't matter for "casual" content that don't have enrages (e.g., 4-man dungeons and 24-man alliance raids). But they do matter in 8-man content. They are used for personal improvement, yes, but a pervasive, primary function of parsers is use in static/8-man settings to judge group DPS and see if the party has what it takes to clear the content, or if they need to work on something. This is where using parsers in conjunction with a certain website becomes invaluably useful. I know that, without using both resources when analyzing my own static's performance in V3S progression, we would not have been able to pinpoint the issues that were holding us back, and work on fixing them.

That's something an individual parser cannot give. While I'm not opposed to the idea of individual, personal parsers, I think that content reliant on good group DPS in order to meet enrage should call for a party parser. Again, it's not like SE is going to suddenly make harassing others a-okay with the implementation of such a thing. I doubt they'll ever change their stance on parsers or implement one in-game, considering that arguments like this always arise when someone, like the OP of the thread, just innocently requests a parser for personal use, but I still like to throw in my two cents into the discussions. It's tiring seeing one side claim how "bad" parsers are, and how "toxic" everyone that parses is; such sweeping generalizations really irk me. There are, of course, bad apples in every bunch, but people shouldn't blame the tool because those bad apples use it incorrectly.

There is NO reason anyone would want to see the parse of anyone other than yourself unless you want to judge said player's performance or to rub your e-peen.

Both of those reasons are toxic and have no place in this game.
So yeah, outside of personal parsing, this will NEVER be implemented.

See what I wrote above. Personal parsers would be completely useless in 8-man content that actually calls for decent group DPS to meet enrage timers.

[DRHaymaker]

There is NO reason anyone would want to see the parse of anyone other than yourself unless you want to judge said player's performance or to rub your e-peen.

Except when your group is hitting enrage timers, or not burning down important targets fast enough...or if someone is just plainly slacking.

Have also seen the infrequent time when someone else was curious of their own parse in groups.

[AlexionSkylark]

Except when your group is hitting enrage timers, or not burning down important targets fast enough...or if someone is just plainly slacking.

SE's instance on POINTING FINGERS and LOOKING FOR WHO'S TO BLAME on wipes always was and always will be that this is toxicity. Most of the times people are not SLACKING, they simply are less skilled. And the game is meant to be inclusive, not exclusive. Kicking people from parties due to low performance never was and will never be endorsed by the devs. You can kiss that hope goodbye.

Have also seen the infrequent time when someone else was curious of their own parse in groups.

That can be solved with a personal parser

[Vocal_Night]

I doubt they'll ever change their stance on parsers or implement one in-game, considering that arguments like this always arise when someone, like the OP of the thread, just innocently requests a parser for personal use.

And everytime this discussion arises, the people that want a parse always present good arguments for the implementation of them.
While the people that don't wan't a parse always bring back the old "I've seen harassment that one day when the planets aligned, therefore parsers are bad!"
It' get's very old.

I swear i've never seen a good argument to NOT implement parses in all the threads i've read over the years.

[Lazaruz]

Except when your group is hitting enrage timers, or not burning down important targets fast enough...or if someone is just plainly slacking.

Have also seen the infrequent time when someone else was curious of their own parse in groups.

If you honestly cannot tell when someone's slacking off, unless you resort to raw numbers, I question your level of attention to the game.
It's not hard to notice, lets say, the SMN that's only throwing out Ruin spells, or the DRG that's only using one combo rotation.
(And yes I'm using those 2 as a example, not to point fingers, but because I've personally seen people like that through all my time in the DF)

And a personal parser would most deffinetely work if someone is just curious about their own DPS output, although I guess it wouldnt work if what you're actually interested in, is how your DPS compares to everyone else. A.k.a rubbing your e-peen

[HyoMinPark]

SE's instance on POINTING FINGERS and LOOKING FOR WHO'S TO BLAME on wipes always was and always will be that this is toxicity. Most of the times people are not SLACKING, they simply are less skilled. And the game is meant to be inclusive, not exclusive. Kicking people from parties due to low performance never was and will never be endorsed by the devs. You can kiss that hope goodbye.

There's nothing toxic about statics discussing and giving out constructive criticisms to its members when they fail to clear a floor due to low DPS/failing to meet enrage. And it very well CAN be attributed to people slacking off, just as much as it can be attributed to personal skill. If someone is a hinderance to a party (this is including static groups), if the group makes the decision to remove them in favor for someone else who CAN successfully clear the content, that is not toxicity, nor it is harassment.

[Mycow8me]

Except that personal parsers would be completely useless in content where parsing actually matters: that is, current Extreme Primals and Savage Raids (and soon to be the Super Savage/Ultimate raid). You can't look at group DPS in personal parsers, and asking for all 8 members to post said parses in some public chat channel is just completely unnecessary work when a group parser for such content already has all the information there and readily available. Group DPS is what matters when it comes to clearing these fights, and meeting the enrage timer. Sure, to an extent, personal DPS is also important, but without a group parser, statics and parties would have no easy, readily accessible way of knowing whether the thing that was causing them to fail is individual DPS or group DPS; individual failings with healing; individual failings with tanking. The list goes on.

Parsers don't matter for "casual" content that don't have enrages (e.g., 4-man dungeons and 24-man alliance raids). But they do matter in 8-man content. They are used for personal improvement, yes, but a pervasive, primary function of parsers is use in static/8-man settings to judge group DPS and see if the party has what it takes to clear the content, or if they need to work on something. This is where using parsers in conjunction with a certain website becomes invaluably useful. I know that, without using both resources when analyzing my own static's performance in V3S progression, we would not have been able to pinpoint the issues that were holding us back, and work on fixing them.

That's something an individual parser cannot give. While I'm not opposed to the idea of individual, personal parsers, I think that content reliant on good group DPS in order to meet enrage should call for a party parser. Again, it's not like SE is going to suddenly make harassing others a-okay with the implementation of such a thing. I doubt they'll ever change their stance on parsers or implement one in-game, considering that arguments like this always arise when someone, like the OP of the thread, just innocently requests a parser for personal use, but I still like to throw in my two cents into the discussions. It's tiring seeing one side claim how "bad" parsers are, and how "toxic" everyone that parses is; such sweeping generalizations really irk me. There are, of course, bad apples in every bunch, but people shouldn't blame the tool because those bad apples use it incorrectly.

I'm sorry I just can't fathom how you can think a personal parser would be useless in a raid environment because "group dps". Being able to see your own DPS realtime vs mechanics and gear changes is the best way to go about it is called "improvement". If at the end of the fight it could show even more statistics like your crits etc... Then all the better.

Group DPS is composed of individual DPS's. Your speaking of marginal situations like for example keeping a tank in tank stance so a healer could get off some extra dps at a certain part in a fight actually working out a little better "Group DPS". Yeah I get it, but that fails in comparison to personal parser for improving the DPS that matters real time. PS4 players receiving a number at the end of the fight does not actually help them in the way that a personal parser would.

I would go out on a limb to say that if personal parsers were released for real time combat evaluation, even people who use act would use these instead to improve and use act for other reasons.