Just another thread asking for in-game parsing for ps4 users

[HyoMinPark]

Sorry if it made it sound overboard, but No I don't "blindly report everyone" I said they have to say anything that makes it sound like they do. Basically they have to say something to someone(s) in the party that makes it sound like they are checking numbers.

You should still only report individuals that are actively harassing other players over numbers, not just because you think they're "checking numbers." It's one thing to report a player that says "So-and-so, you're only doing 1000 DPS in Susano Ex! God! You suck! Uninstall the game now, please!" and another to report a person who says "So-and-so, maybe you could try doing [insert advice here] to improve your damage output."

I should also properly state my stance a bit more.

I would not be against them adding something for you to see *your own specific numbers*

But you should not be able to have/use anything that shows everyones.

A lot of statics use parsers to analyze group performance. Sometimes it's the best way to see where a group is lacking, and where they need to pick up the slack/improve on so that they can progress/clear a tier. Limiting the scope of visibility to just personal DPS wouldn't necessarily be a good thing here.

Thats what bothers me, and what leads to the people harassing others.

People harass other players based on jobs they play, on glamours they use, on just about anything. Jerks will be jerks, parser or no parser. Don't blame the tool just because a few individuals use it for the wrong things. Some of the people who you have reported probably had all the best intentions, but you chose to see them and treat them negatively. That doesn't make you any better than people who harass over parses.

[Taika]

I would not be against them adding something for you to see *your own specific numbers*

But you should not be able to have/use anything that shows everyones.


Thats what bothers me, and what leads to the people harassing others.

Let's take a hypothetical scenario of a random pug doing an Omega Savage floor. The fight has an enrage timer, so the party together has to reach a specific party DPS number to be able to clear it. Everyone else is pulling their weight, but there's 1 DD who is doing significantly less DPS than they should - and the whole party is failing because of that one person.

Now there are 3 possible scenarios that follow in this situation:

1) There is no official parser and talking about parses isn't allowed. The group has no way of knowing for certain why they keep wiping to enrage over and over and over (everyone is geared, seem to follow their rotation, and have beaten the dummy for the fight, no one is dying). The party ends up disbanding, confused and frustrated, all wondering if it was them or someone else who was holding the group back (because they're all PS4 players and can't know what was the reason for their failure).

2) There is an official parser, so the group can see right away who can't meet the enrage requirements. The party will politely inform the person that they're unfortunately preventing the group from winning and need some more practice with their rotation before joining a kill party. Or, better yet, the person will notice this themself and leave the party to get some more practice. The underperforming DD is replaced and the party will get their win.

3) There is an official parser, so the group can see right away who can't meet the enrage requirements. The party will immediately start belittling and harassing the player at fault, removing them from the party and calling them all kinds of awful names. This is considered harassment, and the party members doing it will get reported and punished.

Without official parser, only option 1 is possible (in theory, since in reality pretty much all groups already have at least 1 person parsing). With an official parser, both options 2 and 3 are possible, but option 3 is still not allowed in game.

As long as there are fights with an enrage timer, and each party member has to push certain amount of DPS so that the party can win a fight, parsers are needed. And, more specifically, group parsers are needed, to prevent scenario 1. This is why there should be an option to have an official group parser available for content such as extreme primals and Savage. It could be enabled or disabled with party finder, and players could choose if they wish to join a group that has one or a group that doesn't. This would not hurt anyone in any way (apart from players who would like to sneak in these parties without being able to contribute enough for the party to clear the fight).

[MyaValentine]

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you forgot situation.

0.5) No one has a parser so no one can tell who's doing what, so everyone start calling eachother names and claiming the party is trash, a waste of their time and/or simply leaves without saying a word wasting another 7 people times on reforming a new party since once 1 leaves it's a domino effect until 2 or 3 are left.

[Taika]

you forgot situation.

0.5) No one has a parser so no one can tell who's doing what, so everyone start calling eachother names and claiming the party is trash, a waste of their time and/or simply leaves without saying a word wasting another 7 people times on reforming a new party since once 1 leaves it's a domino effect until 2 or 3 are left.

Or, they kick the person who they're assuming to be the lowest DPS ("It must be the Machinist! I read somewhere their damage is bad!"), leaving the real weakest link in the party, and clear the fight with a new DD who just happens to be able to carry the weak one.

[Inuk9]

Sorry if it made it sound overboard, but No I don't "blindly report everyone" I said they have to say anything that makes it sound like they do. Basically they have to say something to someone(s) in the party that makes it sound like they are checking numbers.


I should also properly state my stance a bit more.


I would not be against them adding something for you to see *your own specific numbers*

But you should not be able to have/use anything that shows everyones.


Thats what bothers me, and what leads to the people harassing others.

If they had something that let you see your numbers and not others then sure, fine.

You are so afraid that someone can see how bad you are performing in a dungeon/raid that badly?

[NinjaTaru72]

You are so afraid that someone can see how bad you are performing in a dungeon/raid that badly?

Well (until stormblood) I ran sch and have never been kicked as far as I can think. And currently
I df the raids usually with 4 or 5 of my friends. and df dungeons also, but usually as rdm or Sam, and I've never had issue. But who knows, my dps may be good or bad. But I get things dead. I just don't think it's fair to anyone

[akaneakki]

just don't think it's fair to anyone

I agree, I think it's not fair to anyone to do 200% gameplay while one doesn't even bother, I mean why bother when someone does it for you?

[Taika]

I just don't think it's fair to anyone

Do you think it's fair:
- for a party to wipe to enrage repeatedly because a person is underperforming and there's no way of knowing who that is?
- for a person to get blamed for underperforming without a reason, even to get removed from a group because they're accused for doing low DPS (while they're not), without having an opportunity to defend themself?
- for a person to get carried through fights by others, playing at a level where the party wouldn't be able to clear the content if the rest of the team wasn't working extra hard, just because the others don't know about it (or aren't allowed to say they know about it)?

[Socomlord]

I've been playing this game on consoles since ARR beta. It's not hard to tell when someone is under performing.
My hope is YOU get banned for harassment when you keep sending all you're phony reports in and a lot of them are found to be console players.
I've rarely but it has happened told someone when they are not pulling their weight.

[Astral145]

If GM's allow parties to kick other players due to "PlayStyle" which in my book is harassment then why can't we have group or individual parcers? All the devs need to do is create a calculator in battle chat that automatically gives you a "DPS" read out every 10 secs, 20 ses, 30 secs, 1 min 30 secs, and 3 mins 30 secs. Allow for options for when the parcer gives you a read out. So instead of it just giving you damage read out per skill it simply gives you a DPS meter so it does't fill up your chat box with numbers... Problem solved.

DCUO did something like that and never once heard a complaint about it.

They can even go 1 step further and give you max damage out every 1 min or 3 mins.... which i think would greatly increase the quality of players out there.



DPS meter and max damage out meter would be a huge help... I need to see where i can improve my rotation... please make this happen devs