Drop Rates of mounts from Extreme primals & Dungeons

[Snow_Princess]

Doing those fights through PF has always been preferable over randoming 7 strangers together. Always. You're so far out in left field with this topic. Clearly you're being disagreed with, and I'd imagine the devs also disagree considering how they implement content. That isn't them slighting you, or people with your point of view...this is them catering to what the majority wants. And the majorityseem to be doing just fine. What's stopping you? Gonna have to come up with something beyond "it's not fair because reasons".

Lol, its not my topic, it is just the type of the spoken minority that is on currently are all on, all it is. The Devs stated:

“We’re not worried about the concurrent users. We look more to the daily active users and the monthly active users.”

So it is clearly an oversight, the drop rate being too low, bugs happen, that is what the forums are for, pointing out stuff like this.

Also no, when WT was new it would not pop, it took 2 hrs to get a WT trial to appear, only for it to wipe because people did not know how to listen to me how to do the fight. Plus PF would be done to do these or some kind of premade because of the low drop rates, so this has nothing to do with helping queue times, it does not. I farmed in the range of 2-4 hours ( do not remember really) with a pt of 5 to try get nightmare and not one drop. Sorry these drop rates are too low, thinking otherwise are the ones "so far out in left field with this topic." such as your self. This is part of the reason a minority of the playerbase are on the forums, because people like your self feel the need to drown out opinions that differ from your own.

I do not need your approval to voice an opinion.

People make PFs as you can pick and chose party setup, classes, ilv, and loot rules while also being able to requeue instantly with a full group. It makes for faster runs. Faster runs = more runs, more runs = more chances to see dogs, birds, ponies drop.


And yes, it is a time sink. Annoying as they are the game kinda needs them to keep people running things. If I was guaranteed drops on my first clear I wouldn't step foot in the EXs after getting my loot lol

And for those that do not do them at all like myself because it takes too long, then what? It defeats your stance of "keep people doing things" Why are you trying to debate one extreme with another? I never said get it in 1 run, I said 99 is too many.

Thanks but no, actually it wouldn't. I genuinely don't care enough about the carrots at the end of the weekly sticks to do the weekly thing. Thus the primal mount grind feels like a rewarding use of my sub. You can disagree, I don't mind we are all different, but don't assume that given more time I would do more things.

But you realize what you are doing is " carrots at the end of stick"?

[Keridwyn]

And for those that do not do them at all like myself because it takes too long, then what? It defeats your stance of "keep people doing things" Why are you trying to debate one extreme with another?

But you realize what you are doing is " carrots at the end of stick"?

Actually it perfectly justifies it, you're on and doing things, just not mount farming. Meanwhile some of us are on mount farming instead of doing other things. Look, the only mount in this game I will agree takes too long is the hunt tiger because under perfect conditions it will take years to get it. The primal birds can all be bought with an investment of ten hours or less under perfect conditions.

And yes, I am perfectly aware that the mount grinds are carrots on the end of the sticks. They're just carrots I actually want.

[Vidu]

You mean you can't picture people "unsubing" over things taking too long so they are unable to really play and enjoy?

Also last I checked queue times for all the primal mounts is long, that is why people make PFs for them, even when WT was new, people did not go back to them though the DF, it had to be PF.

Sorry to break it to you sweety, but I actually do enjoy those farms. I believe I stated that in my first comment in this thread - just because you dont enjoy that content doesnt mean that no one does.
I dont like fishing - and there is a special quest with a title I'd like to have locked behind some of the most aweful fishes in the game. Fishing isnt hard either btw, just RNG! But some people enjoy that and as far as I'm concerned they can have it! I wont demand that the quest caters to my needs, because I realise that thats content for other people who enjoy other things in the game.

When I got my Zurvan-bird - the last one I needed - after 57 runs, I was actually pretty happy on the one hand. On the other hand I found myself looking at the PF the following days, seeing all those bird-farm-parties, thinking to myself "I'd like to farm a bit more... but for what? There is nothing left for me there..."
I missed farming, because its content I enjoy.

If its not enjoyable to you: Go, do something else. You've got more things to do than time to spend it appears. You dont need to waste your time with content you dont enjoy - but leave it up to the rest of us to make our own choice there, okay?

And for those that do not do them at all like myself because it takes too long, then what? It defeats your stance of "keep people doing things" Why are you trying to debate one extreme with another? I never said get it in 1 run, I said 99 is too many.

Indeed, you actually said you'd prefer it to be 9 runs/tokens.
9. Nine.
One less than the weapons need.
Or do those need to be made cheaper aswell? Should the game just give you a weapon after your first kill? So you'd only need 9 more runs to get your mount, letting you move on from that content in an afternoon?
And why are you ignroing the point of "it keeps the content alive for people who are just reaching it"?

[Rokke]

And for those that do not do them at all like myself because it takes too long, then what? It defeats your stance of "keep people doing things" Why are you trying to debate one extreme with another? I never said get it in 1 run, I said 99 is too many.

if you run 5 EXs a day you will get enough tokens for a mount in less than a month. You don't even need to really set a hard daily requirement, somedays you can run less, somedays you can run more- assuming you clear the duty a couple times a week you will be sitting on your bird/dog in a reasonable time.

[Miste]

It takes an INHUMAN amount of time. After doing weeklies and other things there is no time for anything else

Wait...so when I was doing a full time extensive college program and maintaining high, if not perfect, grades....and still finding time to farm the primal birds and do my weekly stuff including tomes AND a raid static....that's inhuman? How did I manage that then?

I mean throwing in raiding 2-3 nights a week as well I must be a gaming goddess at this point to get all that done...?

Like I said you could do an hour a day later when they nerf the drop rates and you'll probably win a bird after a couple weeks of just joining farms once in awhile.

You could even just do an hour every few days and you'd still get the bird within a month probably.

I mean you ignore the fact that you can slowly work towards it at any pace. So this seems to be a "I want it NOW" problem, not actually a "it takes an inhuman amount of time" problem. I mean I am living proof right here that it isn't an inhuman amount of time needed.

[Vahlnir]

what?

I know it's not your topic, never said it was. You are also welcome to your opinion, and requires no one's approval. It's also my right to disagree, which I do wholeheartedly. No required approval for me either. You're making a lot of assumptions out of nowhere and it's confusing me greatly. I'm not drowning anyone's opinions out, people may feel as they wish. That doesn't make me agree with you, or others (who I'm not seeing many of) in this thread. Your argument about WT makes 0 sense. PF is there to make things go faster, which you seem to be a fan of. Everyone generally is, and PF also allows people to do things as they see fit. Wanna run things synced? Go nuts. Wanna run it unsynced? Enjoy. The tools are there to do as you wish. You just need to actually put in the effort. In an MMO, effort = reward, but I'm beginning to think this is your first rodeo. If I'm wrong, then that's fine. You just lack the patience for one.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You mean you can't picture people "unsubing" over things taking too long so they are unable to really play and enjoy?

Also last I checked queue times for all the primal mounts is long, that is why people make PFs for them, even when WT was new, people did not go back to them though the DF, it had to be PF.

And yet people don't unsub for not being able to get another mount in one day. All that would do is prompt more threads on the forums complaining how they have nothing to do. You supposedly mentioned nine runs should guarantee the mount. Nine. My weekend runs would take longer. Susano and Lakshmi would be long dead content by now if you could get things that easily.

Yes, because people use PF to better control the parties they want. Someone who has cleared Susano EX multiple times doesn't necessarily want to join with a group who never has. They may want a fast and efficient farm group, thus they use PF to advertise. That's just how NA and EU players operate. JP, on the other hand, uses the Raid Finder for all serious content.

[Claviusnex]

And for those that do not do them at all like myself because it takes too long, then what?

That's your problem not the game's problem. There are many things to do in the game and they are not expected to be completed in full each week. You are expected to decide what is important to you and allocate your time accordingly. To say everything is important and you should be able to complete everything before each reset is unreasonable (and IMO indicates other issues). Many people here have given you great suggestions on how you could manage working on the mounts without spending all of your time running EX primals but you continue down the path of everything having to be your way. Reminds me a bit of Veruca Salt now that I think of it. So I propose that you go out and create your own MMO that you can design any way you desire as obviously FFXIV isn't meeting nor will it meet your expectations.

[Snow_Princess]

Wait...so when I was doing a full time extensive college program and maintaining high, if not perfect, grades....and still finding time to farm the primal birds and do my weekly stuff including tomes AND a raid static....that's inhuman? How did I manage that then?
I mean throwing in raiding 2-3 nights a week as well I must be a gaming goddess at this point to get all that done...?

Like I said you could do an hour a day later when they nerf the drop rates and you'll probably win a bird after a couple weeks of just joining farms once in awhile.

You could even just do an hour every few days and you'd still get the bird within a month probably.

I mean you ignore the fact that you can slowly work towards it at any pace. So this seems to be a "I want it NOW" problem, not actually a "it takes an inhuman amount of time" problem. I mean I am living proof right here that it isn't an inhuman amount of time needed.

Maybe you have inhuman luck on other things, no idea, out it takes too much time as is to get weekly drops and weekly tome caps to put in other large time investments. It is TOO MUCH TIMER!!! to require doing 99 times of 1 thing, and that is assuming no one wipes, and ofc you are going to run into wipes, People managed to wipe on A1S and a few groups fail to DPS check meet it even though i260+

Why are you posting this? telling me what I have time for? I mean... it sounds like you are better then me so therefor it is not an issue because you manage to fit x , y ,z + weeklies. I do not have the time resource to be spending 10 hours running the same DF 99 times for a mount, that is ridiculous, that is the same as "no content" for me since people want to pull "rare rng = content (I disagree with that.

It is not "I want it now" it is " I want access to it". Running the same thing 99 times is no access, my mind is blown people are defending this system!!!!! I thought the 99 token thing was a joke, like something that isn't supposed to be there.

I know it's not your topic, never said it was. You are also welcome to your opinion, and requires no one's approval. It's also my right to disagree, which I do wholeheartedly. No required approval for me either. You're making a lot of assumptions out of nowhere and it's confusing me greatly. I'm not drowning anyone's opinions out, people may feel as they wish. That doesn't make me agree with you, or others (who I'm not seeing many of) in this thread. Your argument about WT makes 0 sense. PF is there to make things go faster, which you seem to be a fan of. Everyone generally is, and PF also allows people to do things as they see fit. Wanna run things synced? Go nuts. Wanna run it unsynced? Enjoy. The tools are there to do as you wish. You just need to actually put in the effort. In an MMO, effort = reward, but I'm beginning to think this is your first rodeo. If I'm wrong, then that's fine. You just lack the patience for one.

Someone said "adding mounts reduce queue times" so my reply to that is queue times are still hugely long for them, people only PF, so it isn't an argument to support this token system.

The other thing is the mount that drops Ala mhigan mount. You can't reasonably get that EVER! (because how the DF works) because you already at the max sync, till they lift the undersized requirement for 5.0. The drop rate on that HAS to be an oversight, the drop rate or access to it with other means should be done, surely you can at least agree to that?

That's your problem not the game's problem. There are many things to do in the game and they are not expected to be completed in full each week. You are expected to decide what is important to you and allocate your time accordingly. To say everything is important and you should be able to complete everything before each reset is unreasonable (and IMO indicates other issues). Many people here have given you great suggestions on how you could manage working on the mounts without spending all of your time running EX primals but you continue down the path of everything having to be your way. Reminds me a bit of Veruca Salt now that I think of it. So I propose that you go out and create your own MMO that you can design any way you desire as obviously FFXIV isn't meeting nor will it meet your expectations.

You cave to cap each week or fall behind because how the game is designed, there is no roll overs??? >.> =/ your post makes no sense

What do you mean by the last part?:
“We’re not worried about the concurrent users. We look more to the daily active users and the monthly active users.”

That is what the dev said, maybe you need to "go out and create your own MMO that you can design any way you desire as obviously FFXIV isn't meeting nor will it meet your expectations."? Make one with huge hours of grindy since that is what you like?since the dev team of FFXIV does not share your vision???

[Vahlnir]

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When you form your own group, there IS no queue times, just a wait for the group to fill. You can reasonably get everything, including that dungeon mount, if you put in the time. If you don't want to, wait till it's easier to farm. Has been done for primal mounts, and in time the only dungeon mount in the game will be much easier. Access to it is not hindered in any way, shape or form. You can either queue for it, or make your own group to farm. The drop rate COULD stand to have a small increase imo, yes. But even if they did...you still have to farm it. And you seem opposed to that idea. In an MMO. So it wouldn't be good enough no matter what they did. All of this could be solved if you would stop lashing out at reasonable suggestions and take matters into your own hands.