Drop Rates of mounts from Extreme primals & Dungeons

[Snow_Princess]

It should not take 99 clears of doing something to get a mount, it goes against the idea you do not need to play a lot to get things.

So is this a hardcore time sink game where you need to play every day for 8 hrs at a time or not? I am confused from the mix messages of different content

I wish they increase the drop rate for Magitek Mount in Ala Mihgo a bit.

This as well I cap every week and only seen it once and it is 4.06a!

If the idea is you do not have to log in every day to do things and be causal friendly, the game should be reflecting that in practice.

Nightmare mount needs increase of drop rate big time as well

[Vidu]

It should not take 99 clears of doing something to get a mount, it goes against the idea you do not need to play a lot to get things.

So is this a hardcore time sink game where you need to play every day for 8 hrs at a time or not? I am confused from the mix messages of different content


If the idea is you do not have to log in every day to do things and be causal friendly, the game should be reflecting that in practice.

But this game is very casual friendly in most regards. While it also tries to appeal to people who'd like to play a bit more than just casually - for example with those mounts.
There is lots of casual content - not all content has to be casual though. Infact those mounts are supposed to be special - which makes them pretty much not-casual. And thats fine. You dont need them to play or enjoy the game - if you're only playing casual you're getting mounts from the mainquest, so you can easly travel everywhere. Thats all you actually need - the rest is a bonus.
Not everything has to be instantly available for everyone. You want something special? Put some effort into it.

You can even farm those mounts in your own time, this game is by no means a time sink in that regard.
Let me also do a little math for you:
The average EX-primal takes 10 minutes to clear (that doesnt account for wipes ofc, but at least our two current EX-primals are pretty easy fights that should be wipe-free... or you should be looking for a new group). That means: 6 kills an hour. So 16,5 hours for 99 kills - we can round that up to 20, if you like to account for wipes and the odd slower run. Still would only require 2.5 days of that 8-hour-play-schedulde of yours. And thats without taking into account that you could get the mount by rolling high enough on it. Seems still pretty casual friendly to me...

Those are more mid to long-term goals. Something you can work towards, thanks to the tokens now.
We really, really dont need everything in this game to be just handed out. You can be casual and enjoy this game, thats fine - but you need to be okay with not having everything instantly then.
(Seriously, you could just do like 3 runs a day - in a month you'll have your mount. Playing the game casually. All good.)

[Snow_Princess]

But this game is very casual friendly in most regards. While it also tries to appeal to people who'd like to play a bit more than just casually - for example with those mounts.
There is lots of casual content - not all content has to be casual though. Infact those mounts are supposed to be special - which makes them pretty much not-casual. And thats fine. You dont need them to play or enjoy the game - if you're only playing casual you're gettingmounts from the mainquest, so you can easly travel everywhere. Thats all you actually need - the rest is a bonus.
Not everything has to be instantly available for everyone. You want something special? Put some effort into it.

You can even farm those mounts in your own time, this game is by no means a time sink in that regard.
Let me also do a little math for you:
The average EX-primal takes 10 minutes to clear (that doesnt account for wipes ofc, but at least our two current EX-primals are pretty easy fights that should be wipe-free... or you should be looking for a new group). That means: 6 kills an hour. So 16,5 hours for 99 kills - we can round that up to 20, if you like to account for wipes and the odd slower run. Still would only require 2.5 days of that 8-hour-play-schedulde of yours. And thats without taking into account that you could get the mount by rolling high enough on it. Seems still pretty casual friendly to me...

Those are more mid to long-term goals. Something you can work towards, thanks to the tokens now.
We really, really dont need everything in this game to be just handed out. You can be casual and enjoy this game, thats fine - but you need to be okay with not having everything instantly then.
(Seriously, you could just do like 3 runs a day - in a month you'll have your mount. Playing the game casually. All good.)

gating something behind low RNG is not "special" all it is annoying and frustrating, it shouldn't exist. It is not "hard" to run something 99 times, it is just pointless time consuming. I have better things to do with my time then running the same thing 99 times, it is why I do not do it. As a total, you are not given enough time to play the game in that regard. You are acting like that is the only thing to do with your time analysis.

As said, either make it casual friendly or none at all, what is with the mixed signals?

[Vidu]

gating something behind low RNG is not "special" all it is annoying and frustrating, it shouldn't exist. It is not "hard" to run something 99 times, it is just pointless time consuming. I have better things to do with my time then running the same thing 99 times, it is why I do not do it. As a total, you are not given enough time to play the game in that regard.

As said, either make it casual friendly or none at all, what i with the mixed signals?

If you have better things to do with your time, thats your choice ofc - but that comes with certain consequenses and those are, in this case, not getting the mount.

The alternative to gating it behind RNG is gating it behind real difficult fights - and we all know how well that sits with this community...

I'm pretty pleased with the compromisse they've made here: The fights itself are casual friendly enough for everyone to clear them, but anyone who want to get something more out of it, has something more to get out of those fights.
The game doesnt has to be only casual friendly or only hardcore - the devs are trying the best to appeal to both groups. Thats why we've got two raid-difficulties now. And there is nothing wrong with that - if you only want (or can) play casual, you can do that. You just wont get everything then, because some stuff isnt made for the casual gamer and not all stuff has to be for them.

[Snow_Princess]

If you have better things to do with your time, thats your choice ofc - but that comes with certain consequenses and those are, in this case, not getting the mount.
The alternative to gating it behind RNG is gating it behind real difficult fights - and we all know how well that sits with this community...

I'm pretty pleased with the compromisse they've made here: The fights itself are casual friendly enough for everyone to clear them, but anyone who want to get something more out of it, has something more to get out of those fights.
The game doesnt has to be only casual friendly or only hardcore - the devs are trying the best to appeal to both groups. Thats why we've got two raid-difficulties now. And there is nothing wrong with that - if you only want (or can) play casual, you can do that. You just wont get everything then, because some stuff isnt made for the casual gamer and not all stuff has to be for them.

99 takes too much time, it should change, there is no defense to make a system like that. Personally I think it is an oversight where they meant 9 or something, not 99. There is no way they stay stuff like "we do not cater those who can log in every day" and that is exactly what the current system is for

[Vidu]

99 takes too much time, it should change, there is no defense to make a system like that. Personally I think it is an oversight where they meant 9 or something, not 99. There is no way they stay stuff like "we do not cater those who can log in every day" and that is exactly what the current system is for

I calculated for you how long it takes to clear those fights 99 times - if thats to much time for you, thats okay, dont do it then.
This isnt meant to cater to those people who cant log in every day. Things like the weekly lockout on drops and the tome-cap cater to those who cant log in everyday. I dont understand where you're getting the idea from that everything in the game is meant for people who cant log in every day, but I'm telling you: This is not. This is to keep people busy when they've cleared everything else and still would like to "have something to do". Its clearly not a mistake - its in place to get people to do those fights again and again, so new people have a higher chance to get their clears because people who have already cleared will go in again since theres still something left for them.

See it like this: With how easy the current EX-primals are (I hope we're getting more difficult ones down the line btw) they cater to casuals.
You go in there, casually try a bit, learn a bit, get your clear.
Thats the casual part about them - and then the game tells you "Hey, if you want more - there is more!" - but thats not casual anymore, thats an extra. A bonus.
You dont need to log in everyday to get that bonus if you want it. You can literally work towards that in your own pace. Get three tokens a day (around 30-45 minutes), be done in a month - get one token a day (10-15 minutes), be done in three month. You have the option to take a more casual approach here, it will just take you longer than a person who puts in 3 days of farming.

If you have such an issue with those rewards requiring some effort, you best forget that they exists... they're their to give vets an incentive to run this content again. They're their to keep this content alive and people busy. They're not their to please casuals - plenty of other content is.

[Snow_Princess]

Doing what you suggest would kill any and all content. If you put in the time, you WILL get your mounts. You have anywhere from 1-99 attempts to get a bird. Dungeon mount (there's seriously only 1), that will become easier to farm later on since it will be cleared faster, either through gear or 10 more levels. I just don't know what you expect from an MMO. This is how they've always been. RNG isRNG, and it will always be random. Just gotta keep trying and eventually it will pay off. This one is even more forgiving than most in that you are guaranteed a mount if you've farmed certain Ex fights 99 times. I wish I could get raid mounts in WoW with 99 kills, but I've been farming some of those for years...with no luck. Hundreds upon hundreds of runs easily for nothing. We have it easy here, trust me.


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Someone who understands how real the struggle truly is. You're not alone, fellow ICC spammer.

It is gear synced, so you are saying it is ok to lock out most people from it till 5.0. You are maxed out right now for outgearing it till 5.0

depending on rng or it kills all content what a joke. doing something over and over again 99 times does not make content. I do not expect RNG to be a core of MNO, get real. it stands ofr Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game, not RNG Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game. This is not 1980s where tech limits you to depends on rng.

I calculated for you how long it takes to clear those fights 99 times - if thats to much time for you, thats okay, dont do it then.
This isnt meant to cater to those people who cant log in every day. Things like the weekly lockout on drops and the tome-cap cater to those who cant log in everyday. I dont understand where you're getting the idea from that everything in the game is meant for people who cant log in every day, but I'm telling you: This is not. This is to keep people busy when they've cleared everything else and still would like to "have something to do". Its clearly not a mistake - its in place to get people to do those fights again and again, so new people have a higher chance to get their clears because people who have already cleared will go in again since theres still something left for them.

See it like this: With how easy the current EX-primals are (I hope we're getting more difficult ones down the line btw) they cater to casuals.
You go in there, casually try a bit, learn a bit, get your clear.
Thats the casual part about them - and then the game tells you "Hey, if you want more - there is more!" - but thats not casual anymore, thats an extra. A bonus.
You dont need to log in everyday to get that bonus if you want it. You can literally work towards that in your own pace. Get three tokens a day (around 30-45 minutes), be done in a month - get one token a day (10-15 minutes), be done in three month. You have the option to take a more casual approach here, it will just take you longer than a person who puts in 3 days of farming.

If you have such an issue with those rewards requiring some effort, you best forget that they exists... they're their to give vets an incentive to run this content again. They're their to keep this content alive and people busy. They're not their to please casuals - plenty of other content is.

Again you are focusing on one thing right now, by your logic, this game takes too much time to play, much more then people have, and that is not what the development team is focused on. Sorry you disagree with what the development has for the core of this game.

[Rokke]

Optional mounts are optional- You don't need to log in everyday, you don't need to run an EX 99 times, you don't need every mount.

Personally, I love the tokens since I have the absolute worst rng luck and they give me a countdown to when I will be guaranteed a prize.

[Ilan]

But this game is very casual friendly in most regards. While it also tries to appeal to people who'd like to play a bit more than just casually - for example with those mounts.
There is lots of casual content - not all content has to be casual though. Infact those mounts are supposed to be special - which makes them pretty much not-casual. And thats fine. You dont need them to play or enjoy the game - if you're only playing casual you're getting mounts from the mainquest, so you can easly travel everywhere. Thats all you actually need - the rest is a bonus.
Not everything has to be instantly available for everyone. You want something special? Put some effort into it.

You can even farm those mounts in your own time, this game is by no means a time sink in that regard.
Let me also do a little math for you:
The average EX-primal takes 10 minutes to clear (that doesnt account for wipes ofc, but at least our two current EX-primals are pretty easy fights that should be wipe-free... or you should be looking for a new group). That means: 6 kills an hour. So 16,5 hours for 99 kills - we can round that up to 20, if you like to account for wipes and the odd slower run. Still would only require 2.5 days of that 8-hour-play-schedulde of yours. And thats without taking into account that you could get the mount by rolling high enough on it. Seems still pretty casual friendly to me...

Those are more mid to long-term goals. Something you can work towards, thanks to the tokens now.
We really, really dont need everything in this game to be just handed out. You can be casual and enjoy this game, thats fine - but you need to be okay with not having everything instantly then.
(Seriously, you could just do like 3 runs a day - in a month you'll have your mount. Playing the game casually. All good.)

Give it up already. People will keep saying that it is not casual friendly if they don't get everything as soon as they log in for the first time. Its to much effort to farm 99 tokens (the birds would drop more than once during that time anyway) hell its even to much effort to kill the ex primal because they have to learn the fight.

Seriously people why are you not willing to farm for something that you want so badly?

[Snow_Princess]

Why is 2018 any different to 2000? Why should games cater to laziness now more than 18 years ago? Why do you deserve more for less now?

That is not the issue, has nothing to do with laziness. For older games, they did not have much tech to work with, so they needed to find creative ways to prolong the life and create a difficulty level, like what Sequelitis - Castlevania 1 vs. Castlevania 2, what he spoke on 1. (I am not linking it because of all the cursing)They had to use the game itself to set the tone of things where now you have more options though art and music (like hor mor dhona was in 1.0, the music, the look of the place, really made you feel on edge with the strong monsters (I was never lv 50 in 1.0)

Now that you have better tech for developing games, you think development of them would find more creative ways to extend the life of a game. Simply beating RNG is not an achievement, nor is it an investment of work. I just want to be able do something but I can't because it takes too long. For example I have tried to get the nightmare mount but it is too rare of a drop to make a static for it to kill in a reasonable time, even doing gargua as a 5 man, around 1 min 30 sec kills , 3 mins max/ total for queuing, exiting and such.. I think it was, for 3 hours and not seeing one? Sorry that is a flaw, an oversight, too low drop rate then intended when development team makes statements like this:

“We’re not worried about the concurrent users. We look more to the daily active users and the monthly active users.”

on top of things.

It is not about being handed anything, it is about needing to invest more time then what people are able to, and it needs to be considered that messing around with inhuman RNG on these mounts is not the only content to do. You still have to deal with RNG with the weekly limit stuff, and I am sure you need complete the new 24 man thing in a week or miss out. With all the Do this or miss out weeklies and daily stuff you need to do, there isn't enough time to be doing 99 runs for a mount.

Not the whole game is or has to be casual friendly.

Where is that stated? they said "We’re not worried about the concurrent users. We look more to the daily active users and the monthly active users.” SO such a system is an oversight/ and or bugged, "lower then intended drop rates"