Drop Rates of mounts from Extreme primals & Dungeons

[Ilan]

But this game is very casual friendly in most regards. While it also tries to appeal to people who'd like to play a bit more than just casually - for example with those mounts.
There is lots of casual content - not all content has to be casual though. Infact those mounts are supposed to be special - which makes them pretty much not-casual. And thats fine. You dont need them to play or enjoy the game - if you're only playing casual you're getting mounts from the mainquest, so you can easly travel everywhere. Thats all you actually need - the rest is a bonus.
Not everything has to be instantly available for everyone. You want something special? Put some effort into it.

You can even farm those mounts in your own time, this game is by no means a time sink in that regard.
Let me also do a little math for you:
The average EX-primal takes 10 minutes to clear (that doesnt account for wipes ofc, but at least our two current EX-primals are pretty easy fights that should be wipe-free... or you should be looking for a new group). That means: 6 kills an hour. So 16,5 hours for 99 kills - we can round that up to 20, if you like to account for wipes and the odd slower run. Still would only require 2.5 days of that 8-hour-play-schedulde of yours. And thats without taking into account that you could get the mount by rolling high enough on it. Seems still pretty casual friendly to me...

Those are more mid to long-term goals. Something you can work towards, thanks to the tokens now.
We really, really dont need everything in this game to be just handed out. You can be casual and enjoy this game, thats fine - but you need to be okay with not having everything instantly then.
(Seriously, you could just do like 3 runs a day - in a month you'll have your mount. Playing the game casually. All good.)

Give it up already. People will keep saying that it is not casual friendly if they don't get everything as soon as they log in for the first time. Its to much effort to farm 99 tokens (the birds would drop more than once during that time anyway) hell its even to much effort to kill the ex primal because they have to learn the fight.

Seriously people why are you not willing to farm for something that you want so badly?

[Snow_Princess]

Why is 2018 any different to 2000? Why should games cater to laziness now more than 18 years ago? Why do you deserve more for less now?

That is not the issue, has nothing to do with laziness. For older games, they did not have much tech to work with, so they needed to find creative ways to prolong the life and create a difficulty level, like what Sequelitis - Castlevania 1 vs. Castlevania 2, what he spoke on 1. (I am not linking it because of all the cursing)They had to use the game itself to set the tone of things where now you have more options though art and music (like hor mor dhona was in 1.0, the music, the look of the place, really made you feel on edge with the strong monsters (I was never lv 50 in 1.0)

Now that you have better tech for developing games, you think development of them would find more creative ways to extend the life of a game. Simply beating RNG is not an achievement, nor is it an investment of work. I just want to be able do something but I can't because it takes too long. For example I have tried to get the nightmare mount but it is too rare of a drop to make a static for it to kill in a reasonable time, even doing gargua as a 5 man, around 1 min 30 sec kills , 3 mins max/ total for queuing, exiting and such.. I think it was, for 3 hours and not seeing one? Sorry that is a flaw, an oversight, too low drop rate then intended when development team makes statements like this:

“We’re not worried about the concurrent users. We look more to the daily active users and the monthly active users.”

on top of things.

It is not about being handed anything, it is about needing to invest more time then what people are able to, and it needs to be considered that messing around with inhuman RNG on these mounts is not the only content to do. You still have to deal with RNG with the weekly limit stuff, and I am sure you need complete the new 24 man thing in a week or miss out. With all the Do this or miss out weeklies and daily stuff you need to do, there isn't enough time to be doing 99 runs for a mount.

Not the whole game is or has to be casual friendly.

Where is that stated? they said "We’re not worried about the concurrent users. We look more to the daily active users and the monthly active users.” SO such a system is an oversight/ and or bugged, "lower then intended drop rates"

[Arutan]

Give it up already. People will keep saying that it is not casual friendly if they don't get everything as soon as they log in for the first time. Its to much effort to farm 99 tokens (the birds would drop more than once during that time anyway) hell its even to much effort to kill the ex primal because they have to learn the fight.

Seriously people why are you not willing to farm for something that you want so badly?

Because that's the new generation: not doing a thing and expect to get everything. Surely a game is fun when everything is given to you without doing anything. Where's the game in this anyway, who needs a game, all they need is flashy pixels because it looks cool and make them hard.

[Jijifli]

It should not take 99 clears of doing something to get a mount, it goes against the idea you do not need to play a lot to get things.

Correction here for you. You do not have to play a lot to do 90% of the game. In fact, creation is not needed unless you're doing savage content.

You're looking at it from a, "I GOTTA DO 99 RUNS NOW NOW NOW" mindset. That's not what the option is for. You can take your time. The mount is not going anywhere. the 99 is a safety net. If you did the content 99 times and still didn't get it, you get a pity trophy. Square did that for, you guessed it, the more casual player that cannot get on everyday to farm this mount.

[Avatre]

This.

You can take your time. The mount is not going anywhere. the 99 is a safety net. If you did the content 99 times and still didn't get it, you get a pity trophy. Square did that for, you guessed it, the more casual player that cannot get on everyday to farm this mount.

It took me a total of 105(give or take a few) runs of Sophia(I had spent 10 on PLD weapon way back when it was relevant gear) before getting the whistle. I still have most of the totems, and spend some of them on glamour gears. I was doing 5-10 runs a night when Sophia was the most recent Triad primal to kill, but gave up when I started working on my relics instead. Just recently came back to it, and did the farms because the completionist in me wanted all the birds(still need Zurvan...have only cleared him once though...so could be a LONG road).

[eschaton]

I still like the idea of keeping these rare with the change that, when it finally drops it is a guaranteed drop for the whole party that cleared the respectable content.(unique, untradeable, ofc)

Stop the rare untradeable, unmarketable, bias.

[Rasler_Heios]

For my part, I know that certain mounts are supposed to be super rare, so even if I really would like to have a Firebird, I cant simply because I dont have the time to spare to play 99x7 extreme trials. So I just content myself to looking at them whenever they are used by somebody else.

If an easier way to get them is introduced that would be nice, but I know people who already took all that effort to get them will be probably be up in arms.

I do have a Fenrir mount but I didnt feel like I grinded for it. I simply did the challenge logs for Gold Saucer every week and cactpots and one day I found myself with 1mil mgp.

[EternalAmbrosia]

Haven't tried to get the raid mounts on FFXIV. But I've been trying to get the Invincible mount from Ice Crown Citadel on WoW for MANY MANY YEARS NOW WITH STILL NO LUCK! run it once a week every week, no results FML.

I consider that one of the hardest mounts to obtain, seriously x_x

[SokiYagami]

I don't know, I'm in the middle camp of "everyone has a decent chance to get everything if they put in enough time and effort". (the other two being: "not everyone should have everything, even in a game/exclusive should remain exclusive simply because exclusive" and "just hand me everything on a silver plate along with a Lala Stew, a pudding, a fruit juice and the hottest series on Netflix in 4K UHD) Which means, no timed exclusive (barring dead content) or crazy arse amount of artificial time gate. If you work for it, you have a good chance to get it. The primal mounts seem right in this section. The 99 tokens is a safety net for bad RNG, not the main objective. There's a couple things that you can consider to make the lottery experience slightly better:

1. Wait for SE to increase buff rate
2. Grind multiple things concurrently for better efficiency (ex. farm ex primals to cap weekly tome or grind tank mounts while farming for primal mounts, etc.)
3. Try out different jobs while farming, to keep the experience fresh while improving your skills/broaden your knowledge
4. Take a break every now and then

I can't stress this enough, but in MMO there will definitely be grinding somewhere, especially for one with a sub model. It's a necessity evil factor to keep content alive and provide things for players with huge amount of playing time to do. I think in particular to the primal mounts, the current model is fine after they added the 99 tokens on player's request. Just don't grind the same content repeatedly in a short period of time and burn yourself out. Pace yourself, try something new, do something else. The primal mounts have 2 drop rate buff, there will be plenty of time to work for it unless you started late.

If however, you still think there's a need to make things easier, instead of asking to boost the day 1 drop rate or lower the number of tokens required, I think you should request to extend the drop from going to a single player to the entire party. This way it will encourage more players to form a party and gather stuff together, like the Ala Mhigo predator mount. Then again, there will be people crying about their shiny toy becoming less valuable. There's just no win-win situation imo.

[Kahnom]

4.1 is just around the corner and Primal mount's drop rates will be buffed.
It is a good time for purposely farm the mount.
Right now just do EX for weapons and accessories to keep yourself SANE.
Mounts ain't going anywhere,you'll get them eventually.
Be patient.

Oh and for tokens exchange,I believe its not gonna available for us untill 2nd drop rate buffed which is the end of the year.