As a new player that really likes this game ...

[Snow_Princess]

You can buy pretty amazing endgame gear via gil, though, but they didn't make endgame progression TOO money dependent (otherwise you get a mess like Aion...).And all of the "extras" are what other MMOs have as well.

What XIV IS missing is a plex system that allows players with an abundance of gil to spend it on the game time that was purchased by players who have more RL money and less time to grind currency in game...

Yes but the problem is, unless you are doing savage, you do not need it, so the demand is low. With that low demand, the items get undervalued till the point midcore are like why not so i can face roll crap? or whatever price is at that allows people buy then that normally wouldn't due to the undervalue due to lack of demand. Then another problem is supply. The leve system makes it too easy to level crafts, leaving a high supply and a low demand to make it worse. The complaint is not you can't make money, you depend on making money due to others not crafting the item. Because if too many people make said item with the low demand, prices would fall too low for crafting be worthwhile. This does happen in this game, and people stop making said item, and 24/7 crafters take advanage of that and sell it on the high end eventually. So an item that sells 70k today may sell for 10k tomorrow and 5 days later be 110k. Due to little motivation to craft, that leaves little want for few to keep crafting (People like me craft just because... and hording gil is fun to some people) That is another reason for high fluctuations.

I was not bringing RMT into this, but I would venture a guess even RMT values are low or sale active is low because you simply do not really use gil in this game, or really need to to do so, that is why crafter focus people make a ton of gil, because you do not need to buy much to sustain it or get to that point. I think you missed my point, put things simply. Being able to make gi/money does not mean it has a good encon, as I explained how a seemly good econ on the surface hides a lot of that ice berg underneath. I am riding the encon ship full steam ahead wondering when it will crash completely in that block of ice before people see troubles in a system like this.

[Krotoan]

This on top of the issue gil is pretty worthless meaning its only real use is minions, glams, and housing.

You are welcome to give me all your "worthless" gil then =], since I'm going to spend it on Glams, housing items, Houses, minions, Materia, buff food, Materials for my own crafting, teleporting around like a maniac, and better gear for my alts and sub jobs.


Saying something is worthless except for half the content people play this game for.. is a little silly don't you think?

[Auxilio]

NO. CONTENT. Like, not literally 0, but almost. Two primals and 4 boss fights called "raid". Where is the rest of the content? And no, pvp doesnt count, nor does leveling alts. I'm talking proper content.

This just simply shows that the OP is narrow minded and only likes specific content. Just what are you even expecting by selfishly dismissing PvP as content, and claiming to want "proper content" as if you know what you're talking about (which I don't think you do because you came into a FF game and not realize that STORY has and always will be a focus for the FF franchise, not to mention again.. dismissing PvP as content.)

As I once explained to someone else on reddit, FFXIV is a theme park mmo, which means lots of content of this game is not just about fighting stuff. Either you haven't made an effort to try other things, or you're expecting this game to have that few things that YOU like from other games (wake up call for you here: not every MMO is the same). Don't come into a theme park and only try a few rides that you like, ignoring a huge majority of the entertainment available, and complain that there's nothing that the game offers. You're just making yourself look stupid. You only have a PLD at 70, and a SAM at 60. And judging by how long you took to level these, its very obvious you skipped tons of things.

The part about other servers is valid, and Yoshi-P already addressed it so we're happy that he acknowledges the problem.

Bubble text is purely an aesthetic feature, which has its pros and cons. This came to my mind too but I don't see my enjoyment of the game being affected when there's no bubbles.

You claim you like this game? Sorry but it seems you actually don't, and you won't at this rate if you whine about things like terminology, but yet haven't done every single dungeon in the game, as well as 8-man and 24-man stuff. Granted older content may have longer queue times to get a group together, but that's not equivalent to "No content".

[Jybril]

You are welcome to give me all your "worthless" gil then =], since I'm going to spend it on Glams, housing items, Houses, minions, Materia, buff food, Materials for my own crafting, teleporting around like a maniac, and better gear for my alts and sub jobs.


Saying something is worthless except for half the content people play this game for.. is a little silly don't you think?

As someone who has never exceeded 7-10 mil in this game for 4 years.
(I don't craft...or rather can't thanks to the space but thats nothing topic lol.)
Gil isn't all that worth much. I had dumped 2 mil into my Cafe/Apartment a few months ago.
If houses were more available, it would be a nice Gil dump for a lot of people.
But alas, not everyone had the luxury to own a house...So you're lucky.

[Krotoan]

As someone

Oh so very lucky! I do enjoy the everliving stuffing out of my small house and hope, now that i've saved enough to upgrade when kugane opens up, to move on to even bigger things!
If you had more Gil you COULD probably buy a house though, there are always 'flippers" with housing lots available for excessive amounts.
I'm just agog at someone who'd say it's worthless when enough of it could get you almost anything your little heart desires in this game including Savage completion.

I might add: Crafting itself just slows with limited inventory, I capped out all my professions at 60 with no extra retainers, and I'm on my way to do it again soon (although I have now caved and have an extra 2 retainers) . I mainly waited so the market prices would die down from the insanity at expansion launch.

[Snow_Princess]

You are welcome to give me all your "worthless" gil then =], since I'm going to spend it on Glams, housing items, Houses, minions, Materia, buff food, Materials for my own crafting, teleporting around like a maniac, and better gear for my alts and sub jobs.
Saying something is worthless except for half the content people play this game for.. is a little silly don't you think?

You forgot a minor statement in my post.

(People like me craft just because... and hording gil is fun to some people)

Also on wrong server, so it can't happen? =/
Here is the other thing, I do not believe I have enough to be fair for everyone, I do not have enough time as a single person to fund the whole server. Plus with the people I find in DF etc, I do not know who would truly appreciate the help. Ill help those that ask for it and make reasonable deals, but I do not have enough time in the day to be a 1 person charity. Things have a cost, time, and it is up to me to put that in a number of gil for people.

Calling gil worthless is not silly, it is a fact, it can buy some things, as we both said glams, housing, etc but there is not enough gil sinks in the game.

As someone who has never exceeded 7-10 mil in this game for 4 years.
(I don't craft...or rather can't thanks to the space but thats nothing topic lol.)
Gil isn't all that worth much. I had dumped 2 mil into my Cafe/Apartment a few months ago.
If houses were more available, it would be a nice Gil dump for a lot of people.
But alas, not everyone had the luxury to own a house...So you're lucky.

See like this, people have no motivation to GAIN GIL because THERE IS NO POINT. that is why the game has a bad encon. The general populace is going to flock to the path of least resistance, or path least boring for them. Since needing gil is so low, on a general scale, people are not going to go and earn it, since they do not need to. Right now you have unlimited tokens for 310 gear, and that is plenty for most people, while getting free shinny higher gear at limited amount, so why farm gil when you do not need to? Most people as in a general scale just collect the gil they get from dailies, completing dungeons etc and even they have a bigger surplus then what should be happening.

This just simply shows that the OP is narrow minded and only likes specific content. Just what are you even expecting by selfishly dismissing PvP as content, and claiming to want "proper content" as if you know what you're talking about (which I don't think you do because you came into a FF game and not realize that STORY has and always will be a focus for the FF franchise, not to mention again.. dismissing PvP as content.)
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how can you call 1 map (I only see one ever doing frontline dailies) with having severe balance issues while feast has no chat content? The PvP in this game is beta stage at best. It is fun to do once in a while but acting like it is a lot there is a bit off don't you think?

[Krotoan]

You forgot a minor statement in my post..

I was being facetious about giving me your Gil, I am very happy to hear you would have tried if I was on your server though, it gives me some hope for humanity.

My main point was, for all you say that it's worthless I can find something "I" want to do with every last scrap of Gil you have. The only reason I have any "savings" as it were at the moment is for the possibility I can grab a Large/medium house with the wards opening soon. Up until housing came out I would almost instantly burn down any money I had over 1 or 2 Million (a decent amount to buy any new items that hopped up or perhaps a minion that got implemented) into crafting mats or new gear and on and on. Once I had a GOAL: a house, I made sure I built up the money to grab a house if it popped up (which it eventually did) and continued to save to maybe upgrade if the chance presented itself.
There is currently no point.. to YOU.. of saving Gil. I can immediately think of several things I would do with excess wealth ingame. I'm happy you get to "Scrooge Mcduck" it up and swim in your money, but I've got plans for mine.

[Snow_Princess]

I was being facetious about giving me your Gil, I am very happy to hear you would have tried if I was on your server though, it gives me some hope for humanity.My main point was, for all you say that it's worthless I can find something "I" want to do with every last scrap of Gil you have. The only reason I have any "savings" as it were at the moment is for the possibility I can grab a Large/medium house with the wards opening soon. Up until housing came out I would almost instantly burn down any money I had over 1 or 2 Million (a decent amount to buy any new items that hopped up or perhaps a minion that got implemented) into crafting mats or new gear and on and on. Once I had a GOAL: a house, I made sure I built up the money to grab a house if it popped up (which it eventually did) and continued to save to maybe upgrade if the chance presented itself.
There is currently no point.. to YOU.. of saving Gil. I can immediately think of several things I would do with excess wealth ingame. I'm happy you get to "Scrooge Mcduck" it up and swim in your money, but I've got plans for mine.

Again this proves my point, because of the high limited use gil has, the general populace lacks motivation for gil. Those that do care focus on housing. This shows there is no real cost (as in doing other things making housing too high in demand), as more and more gil gets in circulation, there is more and more ways for people to save up for the little supply in housing. The whole econ collective SE set up is not very well thought out.

In other words, the game needs more importance on crafted items, it needs more gil sinks. Right now gil is too worthless.

Thanks for the complement though I am losing all faith =/

[Krotoan]

Again this proves my point..

I don't see how providing evidence that others value what only you (and perhaps a few others) do not proves your point that it's worthless? Your only example is you.
It's NOT highly limited. It is the currency that all characters use ingame to exchange items or services. Nobody trades a Savage clearing for 2 stacks of tiger skins (just a hypothetic, not an actual trade I've experienced).
Housing is only ONE of many things I can and will spend Gil on and it's a conscious choice to sacrifice and save for . I've actually AVOIDED spending Gil on other things so as to afford the housing should it turn up. I didn't buy a top tier crafting set at 60, I do NOT spend gil on materia to enhance my gear and do not spend excess Gil on teleports I don't have to . If I didn't have a house to save for I'd be spending that gil on other things. I have plenty of things leeching my Gil away and don't need more of them keeping me from attaining my goals. The fact I am able to save for a house isn't an indication that there isn't enough money leaving the system.

[Penthea]

What XIV IS missing is a plex system that allows players with an abundance of gil to spend it on the game time that was purchased by players who have more RL money and less time to grind currency in game...

I personally don't feel this is missing. I never bought game-time in WoW with gold and I don't want to buy XIV time with gil. I prefer to spend my in-game money on items I can only buy with that currency.