As a new player that really likes this game ...

[RichardButte]

I personally don't feel this is missing. I never bought game-time in WoW with gold and I don't want to buy XIV time with gil. I prefer to spend my in-game money on items I can only buy with that currency.

I feel it's missing.

I paid for 2 subs in WoW with in game gold. I'd much rather pay for my XIV sub with gil.

[Vexander]

Why when someone "talks" the text is only visible in the god damn chat window? WoW did this shit better 10 years ago!

Yet how many years has WoW been alive without housing?

[RichardButte]

Yes but the problem is, unless you are doing savage, you do not need it, so the demand is low.

I actually spoke to a player on these forums not too long ago who prided himself on keeping his gear as strong as possible, even though he didn't raid, so the demand IS there to an extent.

However, what would truly drive the demand for that gear would be Super Savage giving professional raiding teams a difficult time, making early gear progression that much more important.

Yet how many years has WoW been alive without housing?

Housing is kind of a bad example, considering how badly they've botched the housing situation...

Also, the option to enable chat bubbles is a staple in most MMOs these days so he's not wrong about that.

XIV steals from WoW and WoW steals from XIV. I just wish they'd hurry up and steal the glamour log already...

[Snow_Princess]

I don't see how providing evidence that others value what only you (and perhaps a few others) do not proves your point that it's worthless? Your only example is you.
It's NOT highly limited. It is the currency that all characters use ingame to exchange items or services. Nobody trades a Savage clearing for 2 stacks of tiger skins (just a hypothetic,not an actual trade I've experienced).
Housing is only ONE of many things I can and will spend Gil on and it's a conscious choice to sacrifice and save for . I've actually AVOIDED spending Gil on other things so as to afford the housing should it turn up. I didn't buy a top tier crafting set at 60, I do NOT spend gil on materia to enhance my gear and do not spend excess Gil on teleports I don't have to . If I didn't have a house to save for I'd be spending that gil on other things. I have plenty of things leeching my Gil away and don't need more of them keeping me from attaining my goals. The fact I am able to save for a house isn't an indication that there isn't enough money leaving the system.

When did you have craftings at 60?
Regardless I do not think you are understanding why I am calling gil worthless. Everyday or some days, I listen to the novice network how some person got x amount a gil per week just from doing dailies, weeklies, etc and has x amount saved up because the game hands you everything (gear, gil etc) So I take how people talk and compare it to the general economic health of the game in general. I craft a lot, I see what moves, what does not move, so on. What moves is Level turn ins, GC turn ins, Glams (prisms, etc) gather gear, crafted gear. Gear that is only used in battle rarely moves because you have Deep, a place that gives you poetics and exp, so you can PL to 50 though it, buy 120/130 if you choose or get to 60 and buy 260-270 gear with tomes, then get drops to progress to 270. You do not need to spend a single gil other then some cheap repairs that the game hands you more then enough gil for.

This is an issue as far as a healthy econ goes. Because of this, most people are just able horde gil. On 3.3 housing sold out before I could get on the game because of poor servers disconnecting me when I tried the instant they went up. Why is this? Because people have too much GIL! people have too much gil because it is worthless for the most part and rarely used in day to day activities. Another way to look at it is housing is too cheap in comparison of housing supply and how much gil people have. I need to tell you, housing should not go to those that are lucky where the server does not disconnect them in the second it goes up.

Finally the last part I know gil is worthless is because I know I depend on little to no competition to sell something. 4.06 crashed on the second day where 3.4 lasted months as ffar as top crafted gear (250/320), why is this? It is because normal/ primals has been out for too long to create a high demand for the 320 stuff, along with waiting enough time to allow midcore to get all 70s though leves only, so a lot of people could make 320 stuff to begin with. The reason the little competition happens, despite an over abundances in crafters on one of the most populated servers of FFXIV, is because that is how worthless gil is, leaving people little motivation to craft and earn gil. The only people that want to keep earning gil despite nothing to do with it are people like me, doing it cuz we can, something to do, some like to collect gil and show off how much they made while others want the top dps number, and the other is for RMT purposes. The lack of general need of gil creates an artificial shortage of items when someone wants to go nuts (one person) and buy thier crafting levels for leve turn ins. This is the reason why things raise and falls quicker then the stock market.

Basically gil is worthless because there is no need to earn it for day to day actives + having a long term goal. People only need to save for a long term goal, such as housing with no need to spend to progress. You only need to meld for crafting if you plan on making the top items, otherwise you are fine making money crafting for those 50+ GC/leve turn ins. This leads to people having too much gil, overvaluing new items/ rare items or causing a shortage such as housing.

I actually spoke to a player on these forums not too long ago who prided himself on keeping his gear as strong as possible, even though he didn't raid, so the demand IS there to an extent.

However, what would truly drive the demand for that gear would be Super Savage giving professional raiding teams a difficult time, making early gear progression that much more important.



Housing is kind of a bad example, considering how badly they've botched the housing situation...

Also, the option to enable chat bubbles is a staple in most MMOs these days so he's not wrong about that.

XIV steals from WoW and WoW steals from XIV. I just wish they'd hurry up and steal the glamour log already...

Depends.. if super savage is basically built on needing the gear you get from savage then no. Also that does not address the no gil sink for earlier stages in the game (i/e teleports/repair is too cheap + no need in buying gear to level)

I am not here to debate people what they are saving for or if they find gil having a worth. I am simply telling how it is in why this game's econ is not very good. If the highest pop server has problems with econ activity doesn't tell you there is a gil value problem, then I doono what to tell ya.

[Vexander]

Housing is kind of a bad example, considering how badly they've botched the housing situation...

FFXIV's Housing Situation may not be ideal, but at least it -has- housing, whereas WoW still does not. If you were to ask me if I'd rather have chat bubbles or player housing, I would say player housing each time.