As a new player that really likes this game ...

[Alleo]

I rotate 3 MMOs for this very reason. One day FF14 will tire me out or bore me, I will rotate to another MMO until i get the itch again. There is no shame in that, playing the same thing for months on end is bound to burn the average player out.

Even if he is new its fine if he complains about some stuff. (Not that I am saying that you are not fine with someone doing that) I mean if you have lots of different people coming to the forum (old and new) and complain that there is barely anything to do for endgame fighting then maybe this would be a hint for SE to change it. Thus even if the game might not be for them right now it might be that later. With that his complain might have helped to change the game for the better. Also the OP itself also stated that he enjoys the game quite a lot and just had some points that he dislikes so its not like he absolutely hates it and should play something else (like some posters have recommended).

Well I wish I could just completely unsub from FF14 from time to time without any consequences but as a home owner I simply cant and its not like I dont have anything that I still want to do (just way less). It just saddens me that this already happens that soon into the new expansion.

Anyway its nice that someone posted that screenshot. Yes verbally attacking devs/people/community is bad and should not be tolerated but it seems that some might not understand how important good criticism is. Heck even the devs themselves said that its worse twice a compliment.

I'm confused. If raids are the only endgame content, what have I've been doing in game the last 2 months as someone that doesn't raid at all?

Well it probably depends on the person definition of endgame but for me thats just everything that can be done with your max level job after you finished the story. Which kinda means primals, raids and uhmm dungeons? Because there is simply no midcore content that is truly endgame. Gathering, crafting, beast tribes and things like that are side content and has imo nothing to do with an endgame. The same with leveling other jobs.

Unless you have unlocked and have a cleared check mark on literally every instance in the duty finder/raid finder, I'm of the opinion that you can't really complain about "zero content".

It's also a bit ironic, to say there's too much story to do, then turn around and complain that there is nothing to do. What?

So if someone is too bad for raids but has otherwise done everything else they are not allowed to complain that there is nothing really to do as endgame? I am more of a midcore gamer. I have no patient for savage content but I can do all the other runs if I want to. (Still got to beat Susanno but I dont have much motivation to do so) Yet you either have dungeons that are way to easy or you have savage content..(and the two extreme trials) There is simply not enough content for someone like me. Thankfully I do enjoy grafting and gathering a bit and I am hoping for a big house with the new patch so I still have reasons to play this game but I barely touch my fighting job at all this expansion. Its kinda sad since fighting is still one of the main aspects of the game.

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And could we please get back on topic? Summoner was definitely not part of this. ^^;

[WhiteArchmage]

Lore shouldn't be the reason why Jobs can't be changed...
Rework Lore then if you wanna go that way about it. I only agree SMN is suffering an identity crisis.

I hope you mean retcon in a future x-pac which would be semi-ok, if not for how bad writing (and didn't half of this thread was about how we play FF games for the story?) it would be to have "Summoning Primals is very, very bad! But not for you, Warror of Light! It's not like they drain aether from the area by existing!". Otherwise they'd have to go through ARR and 2 expansions (and retcon 1.0 lore, which they really have avoided doing, with a few exceptions) of voiced cutscenes to rewrite and re-record, at that point, just scrap the job completely...

[akaneakki]

I would like to state that I'm not trying to make an argument, I just want to understand you opinion, so how come?.

Well Final Fantasy is known for having those huge espeser/summons/eidolon/primals to be their ''pets'', when you summon them. Like when you fight again'ts them you earn their trust or show that you have enough power to defeat them. This game doesn't show any of it. SMN is a dot machine with ruin spam most of the time, summon bahamut doesn't even go show that you have controll of summon's at all. You get some of it's power yeah but it's not main core. I want more like you controll the pet fully and it's skills, like actually using them as primary skills. This will never happen ever in this game.
BLM doesn't feel BLM, ever, I'm not complaining about the actuall playstyle here, but it's how it's done. Fire, blizzard and thunder. BLM in other games had way more spells. It felt extremely weird casting fire on ifrit too actually.

[Zindel]

Here is the answer to all your questions.
This game is not wow. Do not expect it to be like wow.
If you can not get over the fact that this game is not wow. Then maybe go back to playing wow.

[Moonlite]

Lore shouldn't be the reason why Jobs can't be changed...I don't care about lore if it's going to hinder gameplay.

Shame on you. Lore trumps all aspects of the game and to think otherwise is blasphemous. It is etched in stone by the dripping blood of all the lost lives of the Calamity.

[akaneakki]

Here is the answer to all your questions.
This game is not wow. Do not expect it to be like wow.
If you can not get over the fact that this game is not wow. Then maybe go back to playing wow.

It's not wow indeed, but did it copy alot from it? yup.

[RichardButte]

This game is not wow. Do not expect it to be like wow.

WoW + An actual player-driven economy with in-depth gathering and crafting systems = FFXIV

A person who wants a game that's NOT like WoW is going to find themselves disappointed with XIV because of just how much like WoW it is.

The endgame PvE progression is almost exactly the same. The key difference is that XIV has an economy that's the best I've ever seen in an MMO, where you can make money by building nearly anything and can legitimately just spend your endgame being a virtual tycoon instead of fighting monsters.

[Snow_Princess]

WoW + An actual player-driven economy with in-depth gathering and crafting systems = FFXIV

A person who wants a game that's NOT like WoW is going to find themselves disappointed with XIV because of just how much like WoW it is.
The endgame PvE progression is almost exactly the same. The key difference is that XIV has an economy that's the best I've ever seen in an MMO, where you can make money by building nearly anything and can legitimately just spend your endgame being a virtual tycoon instead of fighting monsters.

Have you thought about WHY?? you can make money in FFXIV? it is the very reason why it is one of the worst, and worst I seen. The game hands out gear like it is candy, HQ is the requirement, and because of this, it has low activity. Because of the low activity and moment, it does not encourage the mass to buy or sell stuff. This on top of the issue gil is pretty worthless meaning its only real use is minions, glams, and housing. FFXIV's ecnon is more taking advantage of the lazy. (Check out stuff you can buy at a vendor it sells 10x+ at times on the MB just because people do not want to take 2 minutes to find out and go to the vendor) more so then having a real active economy. Then you have to consider because of the slow movements, makes you wonder why undercut spam is an issue. (along with no restrictions on undercut spam, like wow's advance tax, as well being too transparent in undercut spam)

So because of all those problems^ it becomes a perfect storm when something new/ rare is released. It gets overvalued af because how the top richest people have too much gil, huge stockpiles because of nothing to do with it, leading to exchanges limited to them.

To be clear, I am not complaining about not making money in FFXIV, its quite the reverse, I can make money and have nothing to do with it.

[RichardButte]

To be clear, I am not complaining about not making money in FFXIV, its quite the reverse, I can make money and have nothing to do with it.

You can buy pretty amazing endgame gear via gil, though, but they didn't make endgame progression TOO money dependent (otherwise you get a mess like Aion...).

And all of the "extras" are what other MMOs have as well.

What XIV IS missing is a plex system that allows players with an abundance of gil to spend it on the game time that was purchased by players who have more RL money and less time to grind currency in game...

[Powe]

Let me tell you why I play this game, one its a FF game, 2 its story is amazing to me. That's the only reason, I don't find any problem with the story gate. I did all the a realm reborn before Heavensward was released and I was fine with it. I loved the story, I love the fetch quests and everything, made me see the world more and take my time. Now the only time I got annoyed by the story gating was Ruhban Ex, omg that really hurt me lol, like at least have a dungeon available before doing something like that.