Just realized something: FFXIV is a terrible DPS player's DREAM come true...

[Elkanah]

Don't forget the secret algorithm that lets bad players frequently walk away with raid drops/ the mount.

I had one ninja who died 8 times and raised 8 times (i counted how many times he died) by multiple rdm's and healers and smns in Omega 4, and gets the piece for the shaft at 99. That pissed me off more than anything else lol. If I knew that I could die that many times and walk away with the item, I'd do it often deliberately >_>

[RichardButte]

If SE wanted players using parsers, they would have put one in. Instead they ban people who get caught using them.

They know for a fact that every hardcore raiding static is using them and they're not getting banned.

Also another thing to think about: you can't get to optimal DPS if you are failing mechanics. Knowing mechanics come first, then you can work on optimizing your rotations.

Someone replied to you earlier: good DPS need to do both. You can dodge/pass every mechanic and still get hit with the enrage timer because you're not doing enough damage.

Putting them in a gaol doesn't solve the problem. They should be permabanned. :/

Clearly, you have much more of an issue with parsers than SE does...

Instead of calling out one person, maybe actually get together as a group and get better?

...How do you know who in the group isn't doing the minimum amount of damage to make the DPS check without a parser?

Lol, we'll see since I am going to enter Savage soon. If I catch anyone is using parsers, I'll report them in an instant. I'll leave this here in case you missed it the first time:

"Datamining" is the act of decrypting game files to extract models, SFX, music, and other game assets, frequently used to discover hidden content in a new patch.

"Parsers" read the logfile that FFXIV exports as it runs, which is right there, clear as day for anyone who wants to read it.

What you've done here is the software terminology equivalent of calling "Gandalf" Dumbledore.

And good luck not getting dropped from that static like a sack of potatoes.

"Hey, thanks for inviting me. Just FYI, I'M GONNA REPORT ANYONE WHO'S USING A PARSER AND GET THEM BANNED!"

*kick*

Parsers are fine how they are now.

Actually, I've heard they slow performance and increase latency, which is why it'd be nice for SE to have personal built in parsers because SE has said they HAVE DPS meters, they just don't make them available to players.

Oh yes, that's right: SE has and uses DPS meters to balance raid content, but the filthy plebe players aren't allowed to have them to know whether or not they're doing enough damage to CLEAR said raid content.

"FFXIV: Our raids have DPS checks, but we don't let you check your DPS!"

[NintenPyjak64]

That's why we have tools like Sky and Sea and The Circles of Answering.

Go do SSS as a MNK. It's an awful way to gauge your gameplay because your "big attack" is locked behind total RNG, and Brotherhood is useless since you're solo. Looking at a raid scenario, a raid group is going to have 3-4 other people who will benefit from Brotherhood (both tanks, second melee and/or BRD/MCH), but their abilities will in turn give you more chakra, to do more Forbidden Chakras. DRG suffers from this too because of Dragon Sight, although you could give that to a chocobo, it's skewing your numbers by killing the dummy faster

If I wanted to gauge my MNK gameplay, I'll do it in actual raid content, where I can benefit more from Brotherhood and actually use high tier food/potions (why waste expensive raid consumables on a dummy?), AND have to deal with mechanics

Actually, I've heard they slow performance and increase latency, which is why it'd be nice for SE to have personal built in parsers because SE has said they HAVE DPS meters, they just don't make them available to players.

Oh yes, that's right: SE has and uses DPS meters to balance raid content, but the filthy plebe players aren't allowed to have them to know whether or not they're doing enough damage to CLEAR said raid content.

"FFXIV: Our raids have DPS checks, but we don't let you check your DPS!"

Exhibit A:


Sure it's just an alpha picture, but it doesn't change the fact that they use a debug version to test content, also iirc this is big man YoshiP himself showing off Primals

[uvuvwevwevweonyetenyevweugwemu]

So no, "a parser is never used for personal use" is an incorrect statement.
TL;DR: This is how you use a parser without comparing against others.

You fight a striking dummy and do 3000 DPS.
You fight it again and you changed some things and you do 3500 DPS. (What you changed is obviously better)
You fight it again trying another rotation and you do 4000 DPS (Hey look you can objectively see you are getting better by comparing it with your previous parses)
So now you can do your best in actual fights to replicate the rotation that did the most DPS for you. Win.

What you need is a striking dummy with a timer, SSS is exactly that. And before anyone says they don't want to,
who in their right minds don't have a rotation coming into fights? That's not the game's fault, that's on you.

[Snow_Princess]

I think you might be surprised how many times you've DF with someone using a parser and you would never know they were using one.You aren't allowed to say anything anyway so no one does; so how do people accomplish "putting down" other people? I mean yeah they can see if someone is severely underperforming, but vocalizing it by harassing someone for their numbers ain't worth getting banned over because you can report people for harassing others with parser data.

A lot of people simply use them to keep track of their own performance and to try to improve themselves.

There are people that are completely quiet, where others imply it big time they are using one and those that do that, do so in an insulting manner. Some even do post DPS numbers in chat without it being allowed. If people act like this with it not allowed, how you think people will act with it allowed? It is part of the reason I love to see war as a DPS class because a lot of people that play it play it as a DPS with fast queue with no interest of acting like a tank, become a MP sink, and brag how much DPS they do in implied ways.

[Miste]

What you need is a striking dummy with a timer, SSS is exactly that. And before anyone says they don't want to,
who in their right minds don't have a rotation coming into fights? That's not the game's fault, that's on you.

Did....did you even read what I said? This reply you wrote has nothing to do with what I explained to you.

You said 'a parser is never for personal use and that you always have to compare with other players'.

So I showed you how you can use a parser for personal use and that you don't need to compare yourself to others to use it to see if you are improving because you can compare it to yourself and past data to see increases.

That was my only point.

You made an incorrect statement. I corrected said statement. SSS had nothing to do with our exchange.

I don't see any point in continuing to discuss with you since I feel you ignored what I said anyway. So I am done with this.

If people act like this with it not allowed, how you think people will act with it allowed?

I already said I am neutral in this argument. I may post to explain objective things or to tell people not to make generalizations, but as for my own opinions I personally don't care if they add an official parser or not so there is kind of no point in trying to discuss that part of it with me.

The only thing I can say is human beings aren't fortune tellers. We can't say one way or the other if the game would turn out worse, better, or end up exactly the same as now with an official parser. We simply do not know unless they add one so doing guesswork or pretending we know how people will behave is pointless.

Before people say "...but WoW...".

Comparing this community to other MMO communities is also pointless because this community is not the same as other ones and vice versa so you cannot use another game to predict behavior in this one unless you did a very comprehensive study on the types of people playing both games, but no one has the resources or time to do such a study. The most we can do is "an educated guess" which is still nowhere near a conclusion based on fact.

I've personally never seen anyone harass anyone else in-game with a parser in my whole 4 years of my continued subscription to this game. I am a very active player and I do a lot of content and a lot of PF/DF. If it was such a frequent occurrence I feel like I definitely should have seen it at least once in 4 years. /shrug

All those people you mentioned if they harassed someone with parser then you report them and move on just as you would do with someone who harassed someone even without it being parser related. In my opinion those types of rude players would have been rude even without a parser anyway. A simple tool doesn't magically turn you into a rude person when you normally would not have been.

[JeromeMercedes]

i call out bad dps when the time calls for it and i run a parser

[Penthea]

I think it's funny that anyone would even believe op's sensationalist title. It's not like the game is known as a haven for bad players. I feel like this is the sort of thing people preach when they need to show how bad someone else is to feel good about themselves.

In before someone else says that preaching against it is for people who can only feel better about themselves when they can hide how bad they are. Some of us don't want in-game parsers because of the enormous amount of (often needless) drama they can cause from misuse. I quite enjoy going to instances knowing no one is going to start blabbing about numbers in content that isn't even ex or savage.

[Shurrikhan]

Triggers and parsers are 2 different things.

Are you quoting the wrong person here? My post had absolutely nothing to do with triggers, or anything else you've responded with. I said "triggered" as in caused, or made aware. Example sentence—A player was made aware of a flawed rotation through his parsers that he otherwise would not have had the attention to notice.

A parser is always used for comparing, never personal use. To compare means it's with another player.

Really? I absolutely could not compare my own performance last attempt to my performance this run, or the results of trying one opener vs. another, so long as they are both done by me? Hmm.

Hmmmmm.

[Shurrikhan]

There are people that are completely quiet, where others imply it big time they are using one and those that do that, do so in an insulting manner. Some even do post DPS numbers in chat without it being allowed. If people act like this with it not allowed, how you think people will act with it allowed? It is part of the reason I love to see war as a DPS class because a lot of people that play it play it as a DPS with fast queue with no interest of acting like a tank, become a MP sink, and brag how much DPS they do in implied ways.

Outside of the NFL, Madden comments fade over time or are outright avoided. When everyone has identical access to the same very obvious information, a posted number is met with about the same level of response as "this floor tile is brown."

And playing a tank "not like a tank" isn't a "parser" mentality. Beyond the point of what's optimal, which tends to favor DPS stance, it's simply an idiocy thing. Otherwise, it's just doing what actually better pays off.

In the case of a Warrior, especially, there is almost nothing you can do as a healer while they still have TP to make the tank stance worthwhile by comparison. You may see them dip into Defiance for Equilibrium or the 25% larger margin from a Benediction and they may hold onto it for one more GCD during Conv to catch your HoT, but they otherwise should be in Deliverance. Yes, that won't be how you interact with a Paladin, but why should it be? They're different. The Warrior is 7x Decimating because, as long as it is technically survivable and you can toss out one Aero III, he really should be 7x Decimating. Again, not a "parse" thing. That's the simple balance of potencies.