Again the regen thing! Wasn't it gone and done?

[Snow_Princess]

Or the healer could delay the regen until after the pull. Seems a lot simpler.

This is correct, zfz is not.

The problem is you are assuming how the healer is positioned, and how they run. Simply tell them not to regen for prepull so they do not know NOT to do it when it can cause wipes.

Any tank worth their salt knows how to adapt to the "pregen" shit, yes.

But in terms of speeding things up and keeping it all streamlined?

Tanks: Aggro Management > Defensive Buffs > DPS
Healers: Healing > DPS > Aggro Management
DPS: DPS/Offensive Buffs > Aggro Management

Tanks, design-wise, are supposed to be the ones to take care of most of the aggro management. Healers and DPS can help with aggro reduction actions, but it's mostly Tanks doing to work.

If Tanks are constantly getting pregen'd, they're losing time trying to get things in order as they move along, getting all of the mobs under control.

I know it all amounts to a matter of a few seconds, but it's still seconds of precious time that the whole party gets to keep, to start doing something else when the dungeon is finished.

Yes, tanks can handle it but the thing is it causes too much problems for the flow yes (in some cases can cause wipes, you can't expect all tanks to know. I told tanks to click off regen/meidca from boss kill and they go face pull to wipe us)

[Aomine1992]

I've seen it more and more as well. When called out, the healer usually tells the tank to git gud, or "no other tank has complained."

Becuase other tanks just adapt lol it's not to hard and it just avoids the drama of "my sub" and what not all you have to do is click the HoT to remove it or simply be ready to pop your aoe enmity skill quicker and move on this isn't a real issue :/

[Jybril]

Becuase other tanks just adapt lol it's not to hard and it just avoids the drama of "my sub" and what not all you have to do is click the HoT to remove it or simply be ready to pop your aoe enmity skill quicker and move on this isn't a real issue :/

If someone tells you to stop doing something like that, then maybe you should stop doing it?
No one needs the snarky remarks like Khaidal had said from a healer...Just stop? Lol.
"No one else has complained" but not everyone is that same person.

My thing is that it's just unnecessary to do. Nothing to do with the Almighty MUH SUB meme.
Just...stop making things harder than they need to be? I mean...Still dunno why we're
arguing about this.

[Miste]

You see, this is what I've been talking about. If you have trouble pulling this pack with regen on you, you need to rethink how you pull and learn to pull properly.

Just for the record, that picture and commentary were in response to someone saying that you shouldn't use your Tomahawk/Shield Lob/Unmend.

^Ilenya clarified this I noticed. Thank you.

If you look at the person I quoted in that post they made a statement saying you should never use ranged attack and you can always facepull and use flash/unleash/overpower and will get hate on everything in one GCD. Obviously since you seem competent at tank you understand that their claim is false too right? You can't just facepull every pull in the game and use one AoE and expect to hit all the mobs. Like I said some pulls the mobs are too spread out.

So I showed them with a screenshot that some pulls the mobs are too far apart to run in and hit them all with one AoE GCD. The whole point of that post and screenshot was only about that....somehow I think you didn't read it since you seem to think I cannot handle the pull, but that wasn't even what I said or what I was talking about.

If you read my posts I am talking about this pregen situation as being "ANNOYING" not that it is impossible to deal with. I can adapt to a healer prepull regening, but I am saying I shouldn't have to and the annoyance factor makes me really hate it.

This isn't about being a good tank. It is physically impossible for a tank to get all the mobs on them in one GCD for some pulls in this game so regen is just going to make mobs run away to the healer because they overhealed before any damage even went out.

It's annoying. It's pointless aggro. It's pointless overheal. You cannot "git gud" on tank to fix this because you will ALWAYS 100% lose hate to prepull regen if the mobs in the pull are too spread out. It is impossible to stop it if the healer casted regen on you just as you pull.

Would you cast Cure I on a tank just as they are pulling even though they are full HP? Sounds pointless right? All it does is just get you hate on the mobs the tank hasn't hit yet due to GCD limitations. Same as using Regen right on pull when you could have waited 3 more seconds until the tank hit all mobs once. If the healer is worried about wasting a GCD they can throw one DoT on the mob the tank hit first.

Do you demand healers to not regen so you can always get to the ranged mob first

I don't want healers prepull regening me in any situation so I have no idea what point you are trying to make here. Wait three seconds and then regen after I have hit all the mobs then suddenly it doesn't matter what mob you pull first. You can tomahawk and group them and overpower then the healer can regen the tank and then you are done. The healer won't get hate and I won't have to waste GCDs trying to aim overpower on mobs that are chasing a healer running around like a chicken because they have hate.

I mean Brayflox is a terrible example to use to defend prepull regen. Why would you even need to prepull regen in a level 34 dungeon...it just reaches a new level of utter pointlessness and useless aggro that serves no purpose except to annoy the tank.

instead of always having to rely on other team members to create the perfect situation for you

Never asked for that; not sure why you think I did. Despite what you obviously think of me I am actually pretty competent on tank even though it isn't my main.

Me understanding that prepull regen is annoying and useless aggro/overheal does not mean I cannot adapt if it happens; so you might want to relax a bit on your assumptions about me being unable to pull properly and unable to adapt and whatever else you have assumed.

It's annoying. It serves little to no purpose except to annoy the tank and make them waste time re-positioning mobs and waste GCDs/TP.

It makes tank not fun to play because you are supposed to keep the mobs off your party. You are supposed to be the pinnacle of enmity, but this one situation where you are 100% powerless to do your job correctly just pisses me off to no end. You cannot fight against prepull regen because it doesn't matter what you do; until your first GCD finishes you have zero control over those two mobs that ran after the healer since they decided to heal you for overheal just as you pulled.

[LunaFaye]

I can't even.

Remember the discussion that healers need to dps, they need to do their job and heal etc? Well maybe the tank needs to do their job as well, I don't have any issues with pulls, even if the healer puts a regen up before I even pulled, or worse medica II that's the new trend anyways.

I don't do it when I am on my healer, but I don't care if healers do it while I am tanking.

[Snow_Princess]

Would you cast Cure I on a tank just as they are pulling even though they are full HP? Sounds pointless right? All it does is just get you hate on the mobs the tank hasn't hit yet due to GCD limitations. Same as using Regen right on pull when you could have waited 3 more seconds until the tank hit all mobs once. If the healer is worried about wasting a GCD they can throw one DoT on the mob the tank hit first.

THISSSSSSSSSS!
If you are the healer doing preregen, that is the "git gud" issue, because you can use that time to DPS more to help, not cause hate headaches. Today I had a preregen pull issue, right before my shield lob landed (or as land) not sure, the ast did a regen buff on me, I was already trying to get the next group when I saw the green dot (I thought it was shield at first) so after the pull died, I asked please use shield or if you want to use regen do not preregen pulls. So i waited for answer/ them to switch. They switched so I went to pull. During that group they said something about it being a mistake I said its kay, it is better then me being silent right? "oh yes of course always open to critisim" was said to me. The only thing I think that needs to 'git gud' and hope people learn from this thread, is improving one's social skills. Comuincing to make runs smoother should not be taboo and provoking fear of "du not tell how to pla2333y mez pay subz lulz"

Going back to this:

I've seen it more and more as well. When called out, the healer usually tells the tank to git gud, or "no other tank has complained."

My reply would be:
That is because people typically do not know how to talk on the internet, it is to make things go smoother and faster, do not prepull regen me, I will click it off"

[Cherie]

Meh, I am super un-confrontational in expert roulette.

If a healer puts a regen on me as tank when I pull I surprisingly have a strategy for it so I don't have to actually talk to them about it.

What I do is I just face pull the mobs so my global cooldown isn't spinning...then when the mobs run past me I attempt to flash/unleash/overpower them. If I miss some, which happens then I run toward the healer *with* the mobs, and hit sprint if I have to so they don't run away from me, then when my global cooldown is back up I use another flash/etc to pick up stragglers...and drk has abyssal drain at range of course. Worst case scenario you get to the healer and have to flash again while they hit the healer maybe once.

Yea it's annoying but it's either that or I have to ask the healer politely not to regen me but that is too scary... People are scary... What if I talk to them and they like...talk back? Ack! I don't want to think about it....eep I thought about it. Well, I'm scared now... Good night, hiding under my bed now.

[ThunderGodThor]

Remember the discussion that healers need to dps, they need to do their job and heal etc? Well maybe the tank needs to do their job as well, I don't have any issues with pulls, even if the healer puts a regen up before I even pulled, or worse medica II that's the new trend anyways.

I don't do it when I am on my healer, but I don't care if healers do it while I am tanking.

I have no issues dealing with regen pulls either, but that doesn't mean it isn't an unnecessary complication. Think about it like a DPS standing in AoEs- they usually won't die, they keep doing their job, but it's a needless complication for healers, is it not?

[Greedalox]

I have no issues dealing with regen pulls either, but that doesn't mean it isn't an unnecessary complication. Think about it like a DPS standing in AoEs- they usually won't die, they keep doing their job, but it's a needless complication for healers, is it not?

I feel this is the best comparison that draws light to the core issue. You could tell the DPS standing in non lethal AOE to get good because you shouldn't have to heal the excessive damage constantly, it's annoying at worst. It's not that a tank will have an impossible time dealing with your prepull Regens, but why would you force this cumbersome play?

Yes it's one thing if a Healer is ignorant to the downfalls of it, but there are people here actively avoiding the acceptance of their less than stellar habits and placing them off onto another person. "Start healing better" said the DPS who didn't care to make your life easier.

[Aomine1992]

If someone tells you to stop doing something like that, then maybe you should stop doing it?
No one needs the snarky remarks like Khaidal had said from a healer...Just stop? Lol.
"No one else has complained" but not everyone is that same person.

My thing is that it's just unnecessary to do. Nothing to do with the Almighty MUH SUB meme.
Just...stop making things harder than they need to be? I mean...Still dunno why we're
arguing about this.

I think your confused but I'm always the tank in this situation I don't heal lol so from a tank stand point no it's not a real issue