Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
Hi there. Not sure what's got you riled up, but leave the ad homs and weasel words out of it. I'll happily debate you on the content of your arguments, rather than the rhetorical fluff.
I'm mad because both non-Paladin tanks have been gutted, and seeing someone say they're okay in any way makes me upset, because it's flat-out wrong.

Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
stuff about utility
It's less about having disadvantages and more about the fact that these utilities are useful in so few situations that they might as well not exist. That's what I want from utility- something I can commonly use. Not something I can use in one in a million situations. It's not worthwhile if you can only use it once or twice a patch. Cover, Divine Veil, and TBN can be used in many different situations in almost every fight. Shake it Off has few such uses, and (almost) none in Savage. It's not real utility. It's a meaningless gimmick. You can't point to one or two occasions where WAR's utility is useful and say the class is balanced when the aforementioned skills are useful in almost every fight. You can commonly use the utility of the other two jobs to maximize your output, whereas you're more or less stuck with nothing more than a blue DPS who can take hits as WAR.

You seem to think the fact that this utility exists is good enough. It's not.