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  1. #111
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    Vaer's Avatar
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    Ein Vaer
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    Excalibur
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    If you're doing a large pull, would you rather be halfway dead before you finish grabbing everything?
    Tank can pop sprint and avoid most autos on the way to the second pack unless it is a really long pull (like some of the ones in the level 69 dungeon, it's rare that sprint runs out before the 2nd pack in most cases) and barely take any damage. This also stops the fairy from auto healing due to HP loss depending on how well it is done.
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    Last edited by Vaer; 08-21-2017 at 11:35 PM.

  2. #112
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    Teraluna's Avatar
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    Tera Luna
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    Louisoix
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    Conjurer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
    Your a horrible healer if you throw regens before a pull, plain and simple. Go back to WoW. That B.S. isn't wanted in this game.
    Now this is what we want. None of the fussing round, with possible workarounds to help the tank with an initial large pull. NO! Not here!

    Cast aside those thoughts!

    And for good measure, the go back to WoW is thrown in (bonus points here).
    Healers, you have been told (or possibly evicted). Hang your heads (or other bodily parts which may have been cut off by the tank) in shame.
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    Last edited by Teraluna; 08-21-2017 at 09:55 PM.

  3. #113
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    NorthernLadMSP's Avatar
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    Adore Mi
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    Jenova
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Yep. That's right. When you try providing helpful tips and you're met with hostility/bad attitude, this is the jaded mentality that eventually surfaces.
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  4. #114
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    Kirsa Ishtola
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 37
    I mostly play healer and it's so much smoother to just wait for the tank to establish hate before throwing out any regens (I'll usually apply DoTs and use an instant heal if needed). It's not that hard to pay attention and think about how to work in a team setting. I'll also run to the tank if more mobs are spawning mid-fight and I know I'll grab aggro. Just common sense to do so. Both healer and tank can help make a run very smooth if they want to. Many don't care enough to think about it, though.
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  5. #115
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    Fynlar Eira
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    Hyperion
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    While I admit it's generally not best practice for healers to have, tanks really should be able to accommodate for it such that it won't be a problem.

    The only thing I tend to really complain about are AoE regens before a pull; even if it still doesn't necessarily cause enmity problems, that's just unnecessary in like 99% of cases (with the 1% being Hunts).

    Bad habit from FF11 I swear!
    To be quite honest, FFXI might be partially to blame for this sort of thing in some cases (similar to how some tanks use Provoke whenever it's ready before they learn how it actually works in this game, as opposed to how it worked in FFXI where using it regularly every 30s was actually standard practice).

    I'm willing to bet if you polled 100 healers in this game not every single one of them would know that precasted Regens would still get them hate -- and that even if they were doing it and had noticed sometimes that mobs were veering off the tank on a pull to go after them, there's some that wouldn't connect the dots and assume it was because of their precasted Regen.
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    Last edited by Fynlar; 08-21-2017 at 10:39 PM.

  6. #116
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    Jacob Nhisso
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    Midgardsormr
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    Paladin Lv 61
    Im a good tank so i dont have that problem. It's people who play female cats and Au ra that seem to complain about nothing. Ijs.
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  7. #117
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    TaleraRistain's Avatar
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Jenova
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    As a tank main from beta phase all the way to 3.2, I have to agree that tanks should get good. Even in the old days when emnity still needed watching out, I had no trouble pulling with regen as long as the healer wasn't rushing ahead of me. Now with buffs to tank enmity, there's even less trouble.

    Learn to pull. Seriously.
    There is absolutely no reason to put additional stress on the party by dropping regen before any damage has gone out. This is not on the tank. This is on the healer to be a good, responsible healer and consider how their actions affect the party.
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  8. #118
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    TaleraRistain's Avatar
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Jenova
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    If you're doing a large pull, would you rather be halfway dead before you finish grabbing everything?
    I would say if a tank can't survive until they have gathered all the mobs and settled, they need to dial back their pull. I can rescue them in a second with a Tetra or a Bene, but that's usually once we stop and the pull is complete.
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  9. #119
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    Kazrah's Avatar
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    Nonni Brilante
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    Moogle
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    Paladin Lv 60
    Also feel like I have to point out that "pre-geners" are nowhere near as annoying as the dps trying to hit mobs mid-chain pull, especially since unlike Regen, you can't click it away.
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  10. #120
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    Mendalas's Avatar
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    Mendalas Dragoonai
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    Balmung
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Right there with you OP. It's pretty frustrating when trying to pull large packs. Everybody is on here saying git gud and learn how to pull with regen. That is surprising to me when you really don't need the regen to begin with. The healer can time a big heal in between pulling packs when all the mobs are aggroed to the tank if needed. But most of the time that is not needed especially as a pally. Sure you can just click it off, but its the healers that cast regen on you right as you shield lob and the other mobs go running straight for the healer who does not know to stack on you in that case. It's especially annoying in ala mhigo or the vault where the mobs come running at you from a long distance. it's not like it wipes groups or anything if you are a good tank and know to run towards the healer (if they are not stacking), but man is it annoying. Healers can just do a big heal instead of putting regen. Every healer has instant cast heals as well that don't apply regen. This is definitely healer ignorance though in not knowing how enmity works.
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    Last edited by Mendalas; 08-22-2017 at 02:16 AM.

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