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    As a tank main from beta phase all the way to 3.2, I have to agree that tanks should get good. Even in the old days when emnity still needed watching out, I had no trouble pulling with regen as long as the healer wasn't rushing ahead of me. Now with buffs to tank enmity, there's even less trouble.

    Learn to pull. Seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    Learn to pull. Seriously.

    The situations where mobs spawn from different points you cannot take aggro to all of them at same time even if you're the best tank of the game. If healer is decent and knows he have aggro, he will come to me and I can flash before even a single mob touch him. But no, the healer see he got aggro and run away instantly, and NO, I will not run to the other side of the map. I must learn to pull, and healer must learn how deal with aggro.

    Unless your "learn to pull" means "learn to check if healer put a regen and take it off before pull", that is a lesson I learned but healers got good at timing it so I cannot help.

    Then, about telling them nicely, the only answer is like yours, "i regen when i want and you need git gud with pulls". Helpless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaRu View Post
    The situations where mobs spawn from different points you cannot take aggro to all of them at same time even if you're the best tank of the game.
    Go practice in Cutter's Cry, in the first two rooms where mobs will spawn evenly spaced out in the room. You should have no problem grabbing all of them with regen on you. You don't need to be the best tank of the game. It should be part of your basic repertoire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    Go practice in Cutter's Cry, in the first two rooms where mobs will spawn evenly spaced out in the room. You should have no problem grabbing all of them with regen on you. You don't need to be the best tank of the game. It should be part of your basic repertoire.
    You hit one and all comes to you. Flash. End of games. Aggro so strong there that even regen haven't time to take it off before they reach you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    Learn to pull. Seriously.
    Paying attention to the monsters goes for every role.

    Notice the name color on enemies, for example - If the monster has still the orange text on him, it simply has aggro'd because the player was with its range and will bounce to the next player who performs damage on it, heals or otherwise uses a group utility buff. Once the text is red and on not on the DPS or healers, you can go wild with whatever you need to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    As a tank main from beta phase all the way to 3.2, I have to agree that tanks should get good. Even in the old days when emnity still needed watching out, I had no trouble pulling with regen as long as the healer wasn't rushing ahead of me. Now with buffs to tank enmity, there's even less trouble.

    Learn to pull. Seriously.
    There is absolutely no reason to put additional stress on the party by dropping regen before any damage has gone out. This is not on the tank. This is on the healer to be a good, responsible healer and consider how their actions affect the party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    As a tank main from beta phase all the way to 3.2, I have to agree that tanks should get good. Even in the old days when emnity still needed watching out, I had no trouble pulling with regen as long as the healer wasn't rushing ahead of me. Now with buffs to tank enmity, there's even less trouble.

    Learn to pull. Seriously.
    Pretty sure it's Healer 101 not to Regen/Medica II before/immediately after a pull. The fault doesn't lie entirely with tanks.

    Also, OP, not to make light of your plight, but I'm making a funny video about healers. . . I can use this
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