How does SE justify these ten min enrages, but doesnt let anyone know their dps

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Like any of these parser threads are any different? Seriously are you suggesting this one is special. They're all the same with the parser wannabe's pushing there can't play this game without one and the community at large knows better as DOES the DEV TEAM and the DIRECTOR. You all can continue with your back and forth in this one and the many others to come but they aren't any different. If you're read one you're read them all.

One can only wonder when this one will finally die out and then how long before another got to have a parser advocate posts another thread and the the same discussion with the same tired old arguments are repeated over and over again.

I hardly consider it a stretch to say many of the hardcore or world first players know the jobs better than a good portion of the devs. In fact, that isn't uncommon for any game because the development team isn't playing the game regularly nor at a hyper advanced level; players are. Adding credence to that belief, Ninja was adjusted after its release when people began using Huton before pulls. The dev team never imagined we would do pre-pull settings. It's why they locked Infuriate on Warrior. Likewise, the devs insisted Paladin would never block magic despite the community's vocal opposition. It's blocking magic now. A primary reason games like WoW have test servers is due to the fact they know a certain group of players micromanage each job far better than they will ever have the time or desire to.

This discussion will never end. Just like the glamour log, housing and any assortment of perceived issues with the game people have. They will continuously be brought up in the hopes one day the devs cave.

[Remedi]

A primary reason games like WoW have test servers is due to the fact they know a certain group of players micromanage each job far better than they will ever have the time or desire to.

No, they don't, the moment they receive a feedback going against what they want to hear they shut their ears, many times problems with classes on wow went live after months of betas,alphas, PTRs.
Stop spreading this myth that they make a better job, becayse they don't, the most unbalanced metagame in FF14 is still MILES away from what is in wow EVEN facturing the extra specs this game is far more balanced than wow

[Bourne_Endeavor]

No, they don't, the moment they receive a feedback going against what they want to hear they shut their ears, many times problems with classes on wow went live after months of betas,alphas, PTRs.
Stop spreading this myth that they make a better job, becayse they don't, the most unbalanced metagame in FF14 is still MILES away from what is in wow EVEN facturing the extra specs this game is far more balanced than wow

I never said a word about the quality of their testing nor whether they listen. You're putting words in my mouth. I simply cited WoW made test servers because players micromanage better than they do, which is true. What they do with that information is a different argument, and not the one I was making.

[TankHunter678]

I never said a word about the quality of their testing nor whether they listen. You're putting words in my mouth. I simply cited WoW made test servers because players micromanage better than they do, which is true. What they do with that information is a different argument, and not the one I was making.

WoW made test servers to serve as content advertising. An early peek at the upcoming patch. Instead of using test servers for what they really should be made for: finding bugs and getting balance data in a quick and focused manner in a larger sample size.

[RiceisNice]

No, they don't, the moment they receive a feedback going against what they want to hear they shut their ears, many times problems with classes on wow went live after months of betas,alphas, PTRs.
Stop spreading this myth that they make a better job, becayse they don't, the most unbalanced metagame in FF14 is still MILES away from what is in wow EVEN facturing the extra specs this game is far more balanced than wow

Test servers have generally been more about stability rather than balancing though. With PTR, the collective data is far too small (and not to mention that players are generally doing this to play the content ahead of time anyway)