We're getting stat allocation back in 1.20, right?

[Coglin]

wow, sure are alot of stat nazis here.

Those who say systems that allow you to alot your own stats don't works, appearently haven't played many MMOs. They worked for years, There are quit a few that work. Its either that or they are not capable of recognizing if a system works or not.

Its just funny how some of you say well we can use materia and the very limited amount of stat adjustment traits to not be statisctical clones. Like it or not your statistical clones. Its not up for debate, its fact. all 50s of any class have the exact same stats naked. If you think everyone will go with one build with fully adjustable stats then your aguement is generally invalid in the first place. If everyone will use a same build, they will do that in any system.

For those who say we don't need allocation then go on about this nonsense that everyone will us the same "correct build" as you claim, what are you scared of then? Lets us be free to make our own build.

[Sole]

wow, sure are alot of stat nazis here.

Those who say systems that allow you to alot your own stats don't works, appearently haven't played many MMOs. They worked for years, There are quit a few that work. Its either that or they are not capable of recognizing if a system works or not.

Its just funny how some of you say well we can use materia and the very limited amount of stat adjustment traits to not be statisctical clones. Like it or not your statistical clones. Its not up for debate, its fact. all 50s of any class have the exact same stats naked. If you think everyone will go with one build with fully adjustable stats then your aguement is generally invalid in the first place. If everyone will use a same build, they will do that in any system.

For those who say we don't need allocation then go on about this nonsense that everyone will us the same "correct build" as you claim, what are you scared of then? Lets us be free to make our own build.

"If you think everyone will go with one build with fully adjustable stats then your aguement is generally invalid in the first place. If everyone will use a same build, they will do that in any system." I don't understand this. The point people are making is that if given full allocation of stats, eventually people will settle on an optimum build. Yes, people will experiment but eventually a few builds will come out that will work the best. Since the game is being geared towards a party system in which people are being encouraged to play roles, a full stat system gives the illusion of freedom. If someone wants to be a battle whm then they're going to have a hard time finding a party to accept them and SE can't possibly balance the system to allow for all builds of any class/job. Therefore, a select group of builds will come out that will be party favorable.

Personally, I'd rather have a system that focuses on roles and encourages people to get good at their roles in a party. Also with the lack of people playing at the moment and with too many choices in stats, then it'll be even harder to make a viable party (can you image having to ask a whm/conj everytime you make a party whether he's an actual healing conj/whm? except now having to do this for every class and job)

Another point is if stats on gears are favored over stat allocation, then this makes gears much more important. This makes crafters a much more important part of the game. I want crafters to have a role. If equipment is negligible then so will crafting and dungeon/boss crawling to get new equipment.

Merit system will add some variety but not enough to break a class/job. It's a nice compromise. To have a full stat allocation, you're possibly throwing away a balanced party system, making crafters less relevant, and making questing less worthwhile. This doesn't seem worthwhile just to allow some experimentation with a kitschy class build.

[Physic]

"If you think everyone will go with one build with fully adjustable stats then your aguement is generally invalid in the first place. If everyone will use a same build, they will do that in any system." I don't understand this. The point people are making is that if given full allocation of stats, eventually people will settle on an optimum build. Yes, people will experiment but eventually a few builds will come out that will work the best. Since the game is being geared towards a party system in which people are being encouraged to play roles, a full stat system gives the illusion of freedom. If someone wants to be a battle whm then they're going to have a hard time finding a party to accept them and SE can't possibly balance the system to allow for all builds of any class/job. Therefore, a select group of builds will come out that will be party favorable.

Personally, I'd rather have a system that focuses on roles and encourages people to get good at their roles in a party. Also with the lack of people playing at the moment and with too many choices in stats, then it'll be even harder to make a viable party (can you image having to ask a whm/conj everytime you make a party whether he's an actual healing conj/whm? except now having to do this for every class and job)

Another point is if stats on gears are favored over stat allocation, then this makes gears much more important. This makes crafters a much more important part of the game. I want crafters to have a role. If equipment is negligible then so will crafting and dungeon/boss crawling to get new equipment.

Merit system will add some variety but not enough to break a class/job. It's a nice compromise. To have a full stat allocation, you're possibly throwing away a balanced party system, making crafters less relevant, and making questing less worthwhile. This doesn't seem worthwhile just to allow some experimentation with a kitschy class build.

eh even with stat allocation the only way to go beyond your total stats will always be gear, so as long as people value stats at all gear will still matter.
This said, i dont think we will get full allocation, not that i would mind, but i doubt it, i also would hope we dont get something as crappy as ffxi merit system, which was like a max 10 points or something foolish.

I really dont see why so many people are afraid of stat allotments, maybe fear of making a bad build? but even then you could just follow the reccomended stats, or the cookie cutter builds people will eventually make. Ill tell you stat allocation exists in other games, and it doesnt reduce the value of gear in any shape or form, if it does so here, its because they designed the system that way, not because it intriniscly has to devalue gear.

As far as party making, i think in the future people will be able to define their roles themselves in the party, the UI in the 2.0 image shows charachters with shorthand names for their role like T1 A2 etc. point being you dont need to ask them if they are a tank, they will define themselves as such, a healer will mark themselves as a healer and when you search for one you will see them.

[elreed]

wow, sure are alot of stat nazis here.

Those who say systems that allow you to alot your own stats don't works, appearently haven't played many MMOs. They worked for years, There are quit a few that work. Its either that or they are not capable of recognizing if a system works or not.

Its just funny how some of you say well we can use materia and the very limited amount of stat adjustment traits to not be statisctical clones. Like it or not your statistical clones. Its not up for debate, its fact. all 50s of any class have the exact same stats naked. If you think everyone will go with one build with fully adjustable stats then your aguement is generally invalid in the first place. If everyone will use a same build, they will do that in any system.

For those who say we don't need allocation then go on about this nonsense that everyone will us the same "correct build" as you claim, what are you scared of then? Lets us be free to make our own build.

Agree, but not as the old system was, you could actually find a guy as conjurer with 5 int and 5 mnd and a lot of vitality, that was lame, what i would like and im sure that is whats going to happen is to have some points to especialize in a role without loosing any base stat or at least having a limit in the nerfing of one stat,example. like mrd tank with 100 points for free allocation you can put those on vitality and a few on dex so you dont miss much, as mrd DD you would prefer having those 100 points for STR and DEX, so yeah that would help define roles, without gimping classes and jobs.

[Answa]

wow, sure are alot of stat nazis here.

Those who say systems that allow you to alot your own stats don't works, appearently haven't played many MMOs. They worked for years, There are quit a few that work. Its either that or they are not capable of recognizing if a system works or not.

Its just funny how some of you say well we can use materia and the very limited amount of stat adjustment traits to not be statisctical clones. Like it or not your statistical clones. Its not up for debate, its fact. all 50s of any class have the exact same stats naked. If you think everyone will go with one build with fully adjustable stats then your aguement is generally invalid in the first place. If everyone will use a same build, they will do that in any system.

For those who say we don't need allocation then go on about this nonsense that everyone will us the same "correct build" as you claim, what are you scared of then? Lets us be free to make our own build.

Other MMOs: One char, one job.

Your point is moot.

[Dreadnought]

Other MMOs: One char, one job.

Your point is moot.

i dont think its entirely moot.
people keep arguing about balancing.
the devs themselves said they did not balance materia past a few materia slots deliberately because they actually do want some OP characters.

i know the subject isnt about being OP but it proves that Yoshi is in favor of oddly stat-ed characters and stated the new point allotment system would have a much less profound effect on stats, its gonna be more for your own small personal flavor.

[Physic]

Other MMOs: One char, one job.

Your point is moot.

what is the revelvance of the amount of jobs? they said the new stat allotment will be specific to each job regardless.

[Dreadnought]

what is the revelvance of the amount of jobs? they said the new stat allotment will be specific to each job regardless.

yep. we just dont know much about how its gonna work yet. so i think its not so safe to assume much at this point.

[Answa]

what is the revelvance of the amount of jobs? they said the new stat allotment will be specific to each job regardless.

I'm arguing about the previous system, where stat allocation had a time restriction to it, as well as limited by allocation points.

[Dreadnought]

I'm arguing about the previous system, where stat allocation had a time restriction to it, as well as limited by allocation points.

i wasnt sure how i felt about the time restriction back then and i wonder how it will work this time.
on one hand it felt like i had a really hard time going from melee to magic. on the other hand when i was one or the other i was loving life because i did have a very specific stat build that id tweak depending on party or solo which i thought worked great.

i sort of felt like i had to choose melee or magic which made my want to slit my wrists due to the time it takes to do so which made me want to stick with just one or the other.
that, to me, is antiproductive.