MCH buffs!

[Velhart]

I'm pretty sure our damage is definitely higher than Bard now. Less utility sure but definitely not less damage. It's just been made a lot simpler is all. It's not like that's exactly a bad thing. I just wanted a bit more complexity back.

You are the first to say this from other threads I have seen. Is there numbers for this yet?

[Osmond]

You are the first to say this from other threads I have seen. Is there numbers for this yet?

Nope, lack of DoT abilities, lack of stat boost abilities, they are still going to be behind brd.

[RiceisNice]

Nope, lack of DoT abilities, lack of stat boost abilities, they are still going to be behind brd.

Not having DoTs or stat buffs isn't a co-relation to being under BRD's dps.

While there is some truth to that, a BRD player even pointed out that the disparities in support simply look good on paper. Need to lower incoming damage (on BRD)? Better make sure the right song is playing and Troub it. MCH? Time it right and wrench it. 2% crit up and 3% DH up are quite nice, but neither guaranteed. Hypercharge is straight damage up for the duration. Nature's Minne is quite nice, but you can live without it just like you can live without Mantra or an aoe Bole.

Dismantle being on a 60 second cooldown makes it more competitive with troubador. An example, the former can be used on all dark token phases during O3s, or both meteor combos during Exdeath, while BRD can mitigate the entirty of the book phase or both the fire3 and holy combo on Exdeath

I'm not downplaying BRD (ere the beancounters come thundering in to silence my heresy), but I'm simply noting that while the list looks great, it's not quite as consistent - and this came FROM a BRD. And while MCH could do with more support options (or finally cross over the line into "pure" DPS territory), we're not really at a loss for it, nor should any parties so vehemently bypass them for a BRD. If your party needs the support, by all means, but you're in no way hindered having a MCH.

As far as damage is concerned, the two should be a bit more closer in damage output. At least with MCH, their overall mechanic is sound except for cooldown in relation to their heat generation (not used at all unless you've already overheated)

[Osmond]

Not having DoTs or stat buffs isn't a co-relation to being under BRD's dps.

Can you further elaborate on what you mean? Cause I'm going by what does the job have that can benefit long term fights besides just dps and a nerfed hypercharge(excluding role actions).

[RiceisNice]

Can you further elaborate on what you mean? Cause I'm going by what does the job have that can benefit long term fights besides just dps and a nerfed hypercharge(excluding role actions).

Saying a job does less dps than another because "They don't have DoTs and stat boosts" isn't entirely true. If you're trying to come from another context, then I'm not getting it because my quote was directly responding to what I quoted from you.

[Osmond]

Saying a job does less dps than another because "They don't have DoTs and stat boosts" isn't entirely true. If you're trying to come from another context, then I'm not getting it because my quote was directly responding to what I quoted from you.

So you believe that the change from MCH can go not on par, but ahead of BRD in DPS? It may not be true on what I said, yet I don't see people saying that it is better than BRD even w/o utilities in the end result.

[RiceisNice]

So you believe that the change from MCH can go not on par, but ahead of BRD in DPS? It may not be true on what I said, yet I don't see people saying that it is better than BRD even w/o utilities in the end result.

It's far too soon to say for sure, but the changes are in the correct direction with at least keeping MCH's design coherent (overheat properly to gain a noticeable damage buff). But my point was literally in reference to your quote; there's no corelation to a job doing less dps than another job because they don't have a dot or self-buff skill.

[Petori]

You are the first to say this from other threads I have seen. Is there numbers for this yet?

Accurate data is not out yet and I assume it's gonna take some time but I've been hitting dummy whole day and actually just high rolled into 4600 DPS V4S dummy run. Meanwhile my highest Bard result has been 4300 DPS. Same ilvl while MCH is melded DH focused and BRD crit focused.