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  1. #61
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    Centershock's Avatar
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    Yuji Kiritani
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lildragora View Post
    I dont understand why people are against an in game parse.

    Common reason I see is to prevent toxicity. News flash it already exists so it why would making an official parse increase that when likely everyone already using one would be the same people to use the official one
    That's just it. Toxic behavior (not just on parsers but at many aspects of FFXIV) already exists. If an in-game parser is implemented, that would make it seem like SE fosters this sort of behavior. And they don't want that. You can say NEWSFLASH all you want, but they don't want to intensify the toxicity that is already here nor do they want that.

    I'm also pretty sure that it isn't so much being "afraid of information" but how that information is used. And it has already been said that the information is abused. That's the problem. That abuse is part of the toxicity. I honestly don't feel like people will be responsible enough if an in-game parser is implemented. There are already tools out there (sans PS4 players). Use them.

    Despite all of this, I am not against the usage of parsers. But I also don't think that we should hold a gun to SE Devs and ask them to put an in-game parser. It's unnecessary. The tools are already there for us to use. (Again, sans PS4 players.)
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  2. #62
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    NovaLevossida's Avatar
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    Kaiser Sturmwind
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    I guess I kind of am annoyed that you have players using parsers on PC, having voice callouts from programs for fights, and post pictures / link stuff with their parsers clearly displayed on OFs and SE turns a blind eye to it. Yet they find it highly unreasonable to accommodate console players with even a basic parser while they look the other way with what the PC community is doing. Everyone should have access or no one should. Half-measures are just fully hypocritical.
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  3. #63
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    Kacho_Nacho's Avatar
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    Kacho Nacho
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    Parsers are just bad for games.

    The implementation of parsers would turn even more players into mindless sheep. They allow people to shame other people in tiers where slight differences in damage don't matter. Players will flock to the top performing jobs rather than risk getting called out for "bad dps."

    All you need to do is look at how the meta has trickled down from extreme to regular raids now in this game. Think someone is going to play a dragoon or machinist if there are parsers?
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  4. #64
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    Brianna Blackburne
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    Lets add some common points where people jump on the bandwagon too often. "Monk lacks raid utility=They suck. White mages lack healing potency=They suck." People take that to heart, and suddenly those jobs were beginning to get singled out for content.

    Now lets look at parsers. Now I am indifferent about the whole thing, but I stand on the same standpoint as Centershock. While they would be useful among friends and guild mates as a system of checks and balances to see where things went wrong, they would (and will) be easily abused with a group of randoms. Or even a pf party of randoms. How can you prove to me it won't be abused, with the track record this community has had with handing information? I can guarantee you there would be many many parties where the odd one out would get booted before they even had a chance to fix their mistakes. Sure you could report the offenders, but with SE's track record of handling offenses in the game, the problem wouldn't get fixed.

    I'm fine with 3rd party parsers when used in a friendly manner. More often then not, those will be a more responsible means of gathering information compared to an in game method.
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  5. #65
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    Conna's Avatar
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    Kaos Conna
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariyn View Post
    No game gives you all the information you are asking for. Not 1 game that I can think of has an in game DPS meter. They all are outside addons created by the players. Either you download them to keep track of your numbers, or you don't. That's your choice. But don't say you don't have the information available because you do, you simply choose not to use it.
    revelation online has a built in meter.
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  6. #66
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    Sparhwk's Avatar
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    Sparhawk Kennis
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    Leviathan
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    Lancer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    All you need to do is look at how the meta has trickled down from extreme to regular raids now in this game. Think someone is going to play a dragoon or machinist if there are parsers?
    Hi I'm a Dragoon since ARR and still in SB. I like having a Parser. I like having logs. It lets me see what others are doing in regards to helping me improve myself when compared to others of my class. It lets me see if someone in my static is doing bad and allows the group to look at where things went wrong and figure out hot to fix it.

    Saying you don't want a parser just means your looking for an excuse to be bad. And that's fine, you're not someone I'd want to play with since you don't want to look for ways to help improve yourself.
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  7. #67
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    Doki's Avatar
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    It's justified because you don't HAVE to be on the bleeding edge of trial clears. If you waited 4 months down the line you could steamroll the content with higher gear.
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  8. #68
    Player RaizeGraymalkin's Avatar
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    Volta Fross
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    Lamia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariyn View Post
    Worst decision ever. Parsers aren't the bad guy. The bad guys are the ones that misuse them to berate others. Parsers help to improve gameplay and give out side people a perspective into your rotations and such so that others can give help and advice.
    So most people who use parsers then? I know that's generalizing, but I've seen too many people berate others, citing parse numbers as a reason.
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  9. #69
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    Lillian Mandragora
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    Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centershock View Post
    That's just it. Toxic behavior (not just on parsers but at many aspects of FFXIV) already exists. If an in-game parser is implemented, that would make it seem like SE fosters this sort of behavior. And they don't want that. You can say NEWSFLASH all you want, but they don't want to intensify the toxicity that is already here nor do they want that.
    I don't see how stating harassment is reportable and allowing a tool in game correlate to fostering toxicity, when they clearly dont based on their own in game rules. Sorry, this is a connection I don't see and I still fail to see how it would intensify it.
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  10. #70
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    Nol Lac'nala
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    Cactuar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maku View Post
    This game feeds you your rotation.
    Which rotation is that? The one a dev dreams up on a napkin during lunch, or the rotation the community creates when it inevitably breaks the devs' plan?
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