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  1. #51
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    Rawrz's Avatar
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    Sir Rawrz
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Honestly, at this point they need to just do the insane thing.

    Designate ingame Parser availability by Data Center.
    Set party wide parser as a lootmaster sort of option.
    Allow personal parsers, by default turned off in nonparser worlds. Group parser option would be unavailable in Nonparser data center.

    Stricter punishments for harassment. First offense, parser is disabled for a week. Second, 24 hour ban. Third, bad things.

    It's ridiculous that all these sort of safeguards would be necessary to allow parsers to exist, But honestly it's the only way I could see it happening to make the parser. And antiparser crowds happy.
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  2. #52
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    FoxyAreku's Avatar
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    Areku Foxfire
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    Hyperion
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    Scholar Lv 90
    I installed a parser for my raid group and I almost regret it.

    I never knew people were so bad in randoms. Starting to gauge how good a group is by if my sub-parly geared DPS classes are top DPS or not.

    I'm usually double the person in the number 2 spot....sometimes that person in the number 2 spot is a warrior.
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  3. #53
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    Selova's Avatar
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    Veliona Umrtia
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    Leviathan
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
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    What you're talking about has nothing to do with parsers, set rotations or routines of using abilities already exists, you don't need to know your dps to follow a cookie cutter guide on what ability is used when. Endgame in MMO's has always been about numbers and always will be, there are always going to be players that want to constantly improve and in order to do that a source of information is needed in order to judge your own performance. Chances are if your deviating from the optimal rotation for your job you are a hindrance to the other 3/7 people you are grouping with. MMO's will always have cookie cutter builds and rotations when it comes to end-game pve, it's the nature of the beast and has nothing to do with whether you run a parser or don't.
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  4. #54
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    RichardButte's Avatar
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    Richard Butte
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    Hyperion
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrz View Post
    Honestly, at this point they need to just do the insane thing.

    Designate ingame Parser availability by Data Center.
    Set party wide parser as a lootmaster sort of option.
    Allow personal parsers, by default turned off in nonparser worlds. Group parser option would be unavailable in Nonparser data center.

    Stricter punishments for harassment. First offense, parser is disabled for a week. Second, 24 hour ban. Third, bad things.

    It's ridiculous that all these sort of safeguards would be necessary to allow parsers to exist, But honestly it's the only way I could see it happening to make the parser. And antiparser crowds happy.
    Just give us personal parsers.

    If people are sensitive about their DPS, they can lie, which is exactly what they can do right now anyway.
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  5. #55
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    KageTokage's Avatar
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Cactuar
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    Ninja Lv 100
    They really should just make beating the target dummies for the respective Savage raid mandatory for entry.
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  6. #56
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    LunaFaye's Avatar
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    Luna Faye
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    Leviathan
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    Weaver Lv 51
    not complaining or anything but then it's a paragraph of complaint, while replying to him/herself every 3 seconds, complaining even more. You've done better trollin in the past, OP.
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  7. #57
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    Nana Wiloh
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    Lamia
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by lulunami View Post
    They design a lot of savage content to require healer DPS to beat enrage despite their official stance. Most groups will not be able to clear O3S or O4S if both healers did absolutely zero DPS. Even healers need parsers for healing in addition to DPS.
    What is a parse going too do for a healers dps and healing? If their doing their rotation right and healing correctly, yet still not doing enough damage then its more then likely gear a issue. We don't have complex rotations like dps do and healing spells dont sudddenly heal for more cause you change when you use them. I am also very well aware that healers must dps in savage I don't run savage but even I dps as much as I can. A healers dps is depedent on these things 1. Their skil as a healer 2. The group avoiding damage where they can 3. Gear
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    Last edited by NanaWiloh; 08-08-2017 at 11:05 AM.

  8. #58
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    bswpayton's Avatar
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    Nic Pay
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    Exodus
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by LunaFaye View Post
    not complaining or anything but then it's a paragraph of complaint, while replying to him/herself every 3 seconds, complaining even more. You've done better trollin in the past, OP.
    I just think its very dum that cant see some type of number figure, I feel the same way even after clearing the fight today. It just makes zero sense how blind we are in a all about dps game. I was actually suggesting things why is it ok to show damage in pvp but yet in pve its not ok? Thats essentially what Im asking for and an enrage timer, I know SE would never let us use something like act.
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  9. #59
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    lulunami's Avatar
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    Rurulu Namilu
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    Excalibur
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    What is a parse going too do for a healers dps and healing? If their doing their rotation right and healing correctly, yet still not doing enough damage then its more then likely gear a issue. We don't have complex rotations like dps do and healing spells dont sudddenly heal for more cause you change when you use them. I am also very well aware that healers must dps in savage I don't run savage but even I dps as much as I can. A healers dps is depedent on these things 1. Their skil as a healer 2. The group avoiding damage where they can 3. Gear
    Parsing lets you know if certain healing buffs and abilities were used at the optimal time. Mitigation buffs and debuffs by party members with Reprisal/Addle/etc. matter. In Savage raid content, failure to heal or mitigate damage properly in a timely manner can lead to a wipe. Not understanding why you wipe can lead to more wipes if that issue is left uncorrected. Fflogs gives data on when healers use certain skills and abilities in a timeline. That can be really useful for optimizing.

    When you optimize healing, you are also in effect optimizing damage-dealing as a healer. Those GCDs and time you spend not healing will be required to deal damage in Savage raids. The content in O3S and O4S for raid require party members to be playing optimally or face constant wipes and frustration.
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    Fried popoto enthusiast.

  10. #60
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    Lildragora's Avatar
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    Lillian Mandragora
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 70
    I dont understand why people are against an in game parse.

    Common reason I see is to prevent toxicity. News flash it already exists so it why would making an official parse increase that when likely everyone already using one would be the same people to use the official one
    Another common reason I see is to prevent harassment. News flash its the internet, use the saving grace called reporting and move on with a blacklist. Reporting people for using parses as harassment wouldn't change, neither would it being a reportable offense change.

    Literally nothing would change beyond giving PS4 players access to a tool that arguably many want.

    Why is everyone so afraid of information. You're going to find negative people everywhere in life and an MMO is no different. If you think anywhere on the internet is a safe haven, please share your ignorance with me. There are really no tools/incentives for self improvement in playing besides a bad one called hall of the novice which doesn't help people play their jobs better. Something where even a curious player could view and compare, or ignore and continue playing how they want would be a great addition and might even help people feel incentivized to try and play better.
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