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  1. #21
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    Dregenfox's Avatar
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    Adaire Crimson
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    Coeurl
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    Summoner Lv 70
    I think it's gotten a lot better since release, tbh. I did a couple back-to-back expert roulettes today and tanks were pulling all the way to the wall, and I had no issues healing in any of them. Tanks are more geared now so I can mostly focus on dps, and all the casual story-only players have quit, so most runs are smooth and done in 15m or less.
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  2. #22
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    Rhais's Avatar
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    Sophie Miret-njer
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    Faerie
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 85
    I believe the original poster was mainly referring to a lack of healers willing and able to join statics for savage, not a lack of healers queuing for DF.
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  3. #23
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    Acidblood's Avatar
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    Sylvaria Molkot
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    Behemoth
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    Well, to be honest, I think a lot of people hung up their white mage and scholar robes due to Stormblood's handling of their jobs.
    Pretty much this. I'm slowly leveling AST 60->70, and so far, it's kind of fun, but not touching WHM or SCH until they design them properly.
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  4. #24
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    QT_Melon's Avatar
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    Character
    Qt Melon
    World
    Cactuar
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    Bard Lv 100
    I think this is due to several things.

    As people have mentioned people are used to playing healer one kind of way, so now that the job is simplified, some are finding it boring.
    Another group has done healing for a long time and just felt it was time for a change.
    You have other groups that are Muppets (puppets the meta) and go about it for so long, people found it not fun either because they have to follow it, people hassle them about it, or are afraid to even try savage raiding because of it.

    It's unfortunate because for example a Muppet will go into hyperbole which makes people afraid to a specific job. SCH may be less optimal, and have mathematical numbers to back it up, but to a muppet, less optimal = calling the job trash.

    I think that causes harm for up and coming healers so I can see why so many have stopped bothering.
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    Last edited by QT_Melon; 08-07-2017 at 03:06 PM.

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    I've been playing MMO's since 2005. And generally speaking playing healer classes 95% of the time. Here in FF XIV through ARR and HW been playing healer jobs mainly as well.
    Never been into raiding stuff. Feels like a job to me, and I already work shifts. But doing roulettes etc through DF no problem.

    However now we have SB and I absolutely hate it. Occasionally I do get a nice group. But 9/10 times I end up with a Speedy Gonzales tank who sprints of right away, doesn't wait for me to cast protect while the DPS do. And then I have to sprint after him and hope that all my CD's will be enough to keep his behind up. Because by then he will have pulled truckloads of mobs... Even if we manage he sprints of again with my mana bar empty and most of my CD's still on CD.

    Oh and when said tank does go floor tanking. Then he generally goes Rage of Halone on the healer.

    I find this to be not fun and very stressful. So now I'm more then happy to do roulettes with my FC. And if the healer slot is already taken, then I'll happily go play as a Bard or Red Mage.
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  6. #26
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    Rei_Zero's Avatar
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    Rei Zero
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    Cerberus
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    Weaver Lv 53
    SE fault, its a stressed job. You have to cure group, you have to make up errors for group, and you have to do a ton of DPS, controlling your mana. Besides you can't do mistakes, because if you are dead, its almost a wipe.

    I´m a casual WHM, who is trying Deltascape savage on a static party 7/8, we don't have a second healer, sometimes we get a healer only doing DPS straining to me in heals because stupid bad balance on this game from SE and toxic parties who only look for dps numbers.

    Besides, the 5 limit slot on basic skills doesn't help
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  7. #27
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    Lastelli's Avatar
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    Character
    Lastelli Sungsem
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    Ragnarok
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    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Rei_Zero View Post
    SE fault, its a stressed job. You have to cure group, you have to make up errors for group, and you have to do a ton of DPS, controlling your mana. Besides you can't do mistakes, because if you are dead, its almost a wipe.
    Eeeh...this is the line of thought of someone who only plays healer. Try using a dps job in ex primals and savage raid and maximizing that dps. Chances are, you'll realize how soothing healing can be.
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  8. #28
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    Rei_Zero's Avatar
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    Rei Zero
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    Cerberus
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    Weaver Lv 53
    Quote Originally Posted by Lastelli View Post
    Eeeh...this is the line of thought of someone who only plays healer. Try using a dps job in ex primals and savage raid and maximizing that dps. Chances are, you'll realize how soothing healing can be.
    Yeah, I only play healer, but healer is doing 2 jobs, healer and DPS. DPS one. I have to maximize too the cures, and the time I have for DPS, and have absolute control about mana consumption.

    If you (DPS) die, you can resurrect, if a Healer dies in a dungeon is wipe, in Raid stress for other healer and problems with mana when you get resurrected.

    This is SE fault, healers shouldn't have to do 1k-1.5k in raids. Besides, I have seen pretty rage with healers on PF.
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    Last edited by Rei_Zero; 08-07-2017 at 05:41 PM.

  9. #29
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    Taika's Avatar
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    Purple Rain
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    Sophia
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    Arcanist Lv 32
    Quote Originally Posted by Rei_Zero View Post
    Yeah, I only play healer, but healer is doing 2 jobs, healer and DPS. DPS one. I have to maximize too the cures, and the time I have for DPS, and have absolute control about mana consumption.
    It's because the DD job requires as much activity as healer job only if the healer is both healing and DPSing (in most situations). If the healer is only healing, they will be much less active than a DD who is playing their job fully. I once did a dungeon run where I was only healing and was active for 17% of the dungeon, even with 35% overhealing...
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  10. #30
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    Rei Zero
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    Cerberus
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    Weaver Lv 53
    Quote Originally Posted by Taika View Post
    It's because the DD job requires as much activity as healer job only if the healer is both healing and DPSing (in most situations). If the healer is only healing, they will be much less active than a DD who is playing their job fully. I once did a dungeon run where I was only healing and was active for 17% of the dungeon, even with 35% overhealing...
    Healer should do DPS too, don't take wrong my words. This topic is about the OP can´t find a healer for Omega Savages. If OS4 need plenty of AOES cures and 1.5k DPS from each healer, is a bad design and stressful task for many healers. Toxic community to blame healers when wipe is not helping too.
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