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    I find it odd how people can defend RDM in its current state, when it is by far the easiest caster to play. Its rotation is basic, is very mobile, has reasonable dps, and good utility. Its harder to play a BLM well comparative to RDM, and SNM is very punishing if you die.

    I strongly feel RMD needs more difficulty added to the job through its mechanics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    I strongly feel RMD needs more difficulty added to the job through its mechanics.
    People like easy things. There really isn't any real good reason to take a BLM into Savage compared to the currently OP and simple RDM, but that's on the developers to change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    I find it odd how people can defend RDM in its current state, when it is by far the easiest caster to play. Its rotation is basic, is very mobile, has reasonable dps, and good utility. Its harder to play a BLM well comparative to RDM, and SNM is very punishing if you die.

    I strongly feel RMD needs more difficulty added to the job through its mechanics.
    For how it performs in savage content, it's in a pretty okay spot.

    To counter you: It may be harder to optimize BLM, but an optimized BLM destroys an optimized RDM any day of the week in terms of damage. In every fight, BLM is competing with SAM and MNK, while RDM kind of drifts between mid to last. This is a trend that remains to higher percentiles as well, mind; the percentiles where it can be safely assumed four people didn't die to reduce the RDM's damage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    People like easy things. There really isn't any real good reason to take a BLM into Savage compared to the currently OP and simple RDM, but that's on the developers to change.
    There's no reason to take a RDM once prog is done tbh. Once you're done needing the security blanket that healers should have covered by default anyway, BLM is far and away the better choice for farms and speedkills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    BLM is far and away the better choice for farms and speedkills.
    Nah. You'll still take RDM for Embolden. I wouldn't want a BLM anywhere near a physical heavy comp when Embolden can buff the numbers of the tanks and phys dps higher than if they'd gone with a BLM instead. Gotta get muh 5 stack Emboldened Berserk+IR Fell cleaves. BLM is objectively inferior, IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    Nah. You'll still take RDM for Embolden. I wouldn't want a BLM anywhere near a physical heavy comp when Embolden can buff the numbers of the tanks and phys dps higher than if they'd gone with a BLM instead. Gotta get muh 5 stack Emboldened Berserk+IR Fell cleaves. BLM is objectively inferior, IMHO.
    Gurl please. RDM Embolden is barely 120 combined DPS, which is not 3-400 more from BLM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrismaticDaybreak View Post
    Gurl please. RDM Embolden is barely 120 combined DPS, which is not 3-400 more from BLM. Get out of here with your lack of math and alternative facts.
    That's true! Embolden still increases my own DPS specially during my WAR burst phase, which is something BLM gawks at because it can't buff raid damage. A fully buffed Ber/IR FC direct crit is pants wetting already, then add on other multiplicative buffs that stack? Feels too good to ignore man.
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    I'm sure Embolden is always aligned with your burst phase. /s

    Dude we get it, everyone gets it, you hate RDM because it's "too easy" and you have desperately avoided leveling BLM because you believe you'd be such a hindrance as BLM opposed to RDM. Fortunately the devs don't have that perspective and believe more in the "play it because you enjoy it" philosophy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrismaticDaybreak View Post
    I'm sure Embolden is always aligned with your burst phase.
    Inner Release: 120s
    Berserk: 60s
    Embolden: 120s, unless they changed it when I wasn't looking.

    And oh, look at that. It lines up perfectly with my burst phase for a sextuple FC+Up+2Onslaught. I don't honestly care anymore, BLM is dead so long as RDM can buff DPS higher and higher, IMHO. I'll take bigger direct crits over a turret caster that loses on movement everytime all the time. At least BLM is good in dungeons, I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    The buff drops off over time. And in most fights BLM gives more damage than RDM's damage + rDPS. Its the same logic of taking a monk over a bard for speedkills; the pure damage outdoes the rDPS provided.
    The buff drops off, yes, but it still lasts the entire burst phase. It's even better with a MNK because MNK has Brotherhood, another 5% phys dps buff, and pair it with an RDM Embolden, and suddenly all your physical are hitting even harder! I know MNK is preferred over bard for speed kills. I also know BLM is "acceptable" but not "preferred".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    Nah. You'll still take RDM for Embolden. I wouldn't want a BLM anywhere near a physical heavy comp when Embolden can buff the numbers of the tanks and phys dps higher than if they'd gone with a BLM instead. Gotta get muh 5 stack Emboldened Berserk+IR Fell cleaves. BLM is objectively inferior, IMHO.
    The buff drops off over time. And in most fights BLM gives more damage than RDM's damage + rDPS. Its the same logic of taking a monk over a bard for speedkills; the pure damage outdoes the rDPS provided.

    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    RDM provides great damage
    It provides okay damage.

    offheals,
    Why...why in Hydaelyn's name would you EVER want a RDM to use Vercure in a raid? No. Just...no.

    great mobility
    BLM can come close to rivaling this with their triplecast and swiftcast, between the lines, and aetherial manipulation. They have more options for getting out of danger and then back into their comfort zone. RDM's dualcast is nice, and we have a gap closer and opener that even do damage...on a 35/40 second cooldown. This is important because then RDM has to decide to keep a 260 potency every 40 seconds, or save the CDs for keeping themselves safe in the midst of mechanics. Not to mention that sprint consumes swiftcast.

    instant raises,
    Yeah I'm tired of instant raises too. Kind of hope they change that so people stop whining about it.

    manashifts at no expense,
    I'm sorry, at no expense? We're RDM, not BLM. We have a finite pool of mana, with one refresh, and if we're expected to manashift AND rez then...you're relying too much on RDM as your healer bitch and not as a dps, and it's NOT going to be doing dps worth anything really.

    buffs physical party composition dps as well as itself ergo the only acceptable meta party composition
    It's a .75% rDPS increase. Less than one percent of the total rDPS. TOTAL. Contagion would make a caster comp a better choice if SMN weren't borked.

    It wipes the floor with SMN and BLM.
    Have you seen the rankings for savage parses? RDM does not wipe the floor with BLM, and both RDM and BLM wipe their noses with SMN in almost every fight but V3S where SMN comes close to God.

    Will always have a spot and even better it's a no skill job.
    It's straightforward, not "no skill".

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH View Post
    And oh, look at that. It lines up perfectly with my burst phase for a sextuple FC+Up+2Onslaught. I don't honestly care anymore, BLM is dead so long as RDM can buff DPS higher and higher, IMHO..
    So you're willing to hold your Inner Release long enough for me to line up my double emboldened verfinisher? Very kind of you. The first embolden I use to line up with opener buffs but every emboldenfy I use past that is specifically to optimize my own damage.
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    Last edited by Dualgunner; 08-06-2017 at 05:51 AM.