RDM's Vercure should be removed or heavily nerfed

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

BLM is far and away the better choice for farms and speedkills.

Nah. You'll still take RDM for Embolden. I wouldn't want a BLM anywhere near a physical heavy comp when Embolden can buff the numbers of the tanks and phys dps higher than if they'd gone with a BLM instead. Gotta get muh 5 stack Emboldened Berserk+IR Fell cleaves. BLM is objectively inferior, IMHO.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

Nah. You'll still take RDM for Embolden. I wouldn't want a BLM anywhere near a physical heavy comp when Embolden can buff the numbers of the tanks and phys dps higher than if they'd gone with a BLM instead. Gotta get muh 5 stack Emboldened Berserk+IR Fell cleaves. BLM is objectively inferior, IMHO.

Gurl please. RDM Embolden is barely 120 combined DPS, which is not 3-400 more from BLM.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Gurl please. RDM Embolden is barely 120 combined DPS, which is not 3-400 more from BLM. Get out of here with your lack of math and alternative facts.

That's true! Embolden still increases my own DPS specially during my WAR burst phase, which is something BLM gawks at because it can't buff raid damage. A fully buffed Ber/IR FC direct crit is pants wetting already, then add on other multiplicative buffs that stack? Feels too good to ignore man.

[Dualgunner]

Nah. You'll still take RDM for Embolden. I wouldn't want a BLM anywhere near a physical heavy comp when Embolden can buff the numbers of the tanks and phys dps higher than if they'd gone with a BLM instead. Gotta get muh 5 stack Emboldened Berserk+IR Fell cleaves. BLM is objectively inferior, IMHO.

The buff drops off over time. And in most fights BLM gives more damage than RDM's damage + rDPS. Its the same logic of taking a monk over a bard for speedkills; the pure damage outdoes the rDPS provided.

RDM provides great damage

It provides okay damage.

offheals,

Why...why in Hydaelyn's name would you EVER want a RDM to use Vercure in a raid? No. Just...no.

great mobility

BLM can come close to rivaling this with their triplecast and swiftcast, between the lines, and aetherial manipulation. They have more options for getting out of danger and then back into their comfort zone. RDM's dualcast is nice, and we have a gap closer and opener that even do damage...on a 35/40 second cooldown. This is important because then RDM has to decide to keep a 260 potency every 40 seconds, or save the CDs for keeping themselves safe in the midst of mechanics. Not to mention that sprint consumes swiftcast.

instant raises,

Yeah I'm tired of instant raises too. Kind of hope they change that so people stop whining about it.

manashifts at no expense,

I'm sorry, at no expense? We're RDM, not BLM. We have a finite pool of mana, with one refresh, and if we're expected to manashift AND rez then...you're relying too much on RDM as your healer bitch and not as a dps, and it's NOT going to be doing dps worth anything really.

buffs physical party composition dps as well as itself ergo the only acceptable meta party composition

It's a .75% rDPS increase. Less than one percent of the total rDPS. TOTAL. Contagion would make a caster comp a better choice if SMN weren't borked.

It wipes the floor with SMN and BLM.

Have you seen the rankings for savage parses? RDM does not wipe the floor with BLM, and both RDM and BLM wipe their noses with SMN in almost every fight but V3S where SMN comes close to God.

Will always have a spot and even better it's a no skill job.

It's straightforward, not "no skill".

And oh, look at that. It lines up perfectly with my burst phase for a sextuple FC+Up+2Onslaught. I don't honestly care anymore, BLM is dead so long as RDM can buff DPS higher and higher, IMHO..

So you're willing to hold your Inner Release long enough for me to line up my double emboldened verfinisher? Very kind of you. The first embolden I use to line up with opener buffs but every emboldenfy I use past that is specifically to optimize my own damage.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

And cue the "Let's ignore facts!" parade. Remember when Yoshi P said they're not increasing/decreasing damage based on complexity/simplicity which is a subjective and perceived value? I remember. Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[MagiusNecros]

RDM provides great damage, offheals, great mobility, instant raises, manashifts at no expense, buffs physical party composition dps as well as itself ergo the only acceptable meta party composition. It wipes the floor with SMN and BLM. Will always have a spot and even better it's a no skill job.

Why waste a slot for any other DPS caster?

Makes my BLM sad because all we got is damage and I guess Manashift. And we can be AoE king all we want except the endgame content has lo and behold no real AoE situations outside of faceroll dungeons. Woohoo. >_>

[PrismaticDaybreak]

RDM provides great damage, offheals, great mobility, instant raises, manashifts at no expense, buffs physical party composition dps as well as itself ergo the only acceptable meta party composition. It wipes the floor with SMN and BLM. Will always have a spot and even better it's a no skill job.

Why waste a slot for any other DPS caster?

Makes my BLM sad because all we got is damage and I guess Manashift. And we can be AoE king all we want except the endgame content has lo and behold no real AoE situations outside of faceroll dungeons. Woohoo. >_>

Wipes the floor is a gross exaggeration for BLM and is quite untrue. And SMN is in a crappy place because of its own independent issues, not because of RDM in any way. You can either have massive damage with BLM and 0 raid utility or have good damage as RDM and good utility. You don't get both. Also RDM doesn't/shouldn't offheal at all in savage, if we have to raise more than twice, unless your party is a phenomenon, say Hi to the enrage timer. Manashift is only available once again if you don't have to raise at all, which is the same as any other caster so not really an argument.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Veecure is fine, Verraise is absolutely ridiculous

[MidnightTundra]

Reading through this thread and OP's post, there's a reason very few higher tier player come to these forums. It's like a cesspool of ignorance.

Thankfully there are people in here who try to correct this ignorance with actual data and caster experience.

[Konno_Aiko]

I main both RDM and BLM and find both fun and can tell you BLM does more damage and does not need a cure or raise because then I'm not using fire 4 and don't want BLM to turn into a raise machine because people can't do mechanics. My RDM DPS dropped because I had to raise both healers who died within the last 10% of O2S both of witch died to an easy mechanic like earthquake. I would much rather DPS than raise people who fail. My RDM like my BLM is a DPS first and if I have to raise I would rather wipe than it tarnish my fflogs because I had to raise like my recent 1 min DC did in O1S.