Simple request: Can we have the anima 260 condensation stage nerfed for 4.06?

[Avatre]

To be fair, light parties do fill up pretty fast, at least in the Chaos datacentre. Sure, it may be glamour, but people do still do it. Now, I don't really have a foot in either side of the argument here (as in, I don't mind whether or not it does get nerfed), but I just wanted to point this out here.

I see them on Aether every now and then. Not sure how fast they fill up, but they are present from time to time.

[Snow_Princess]

Great idea, get other people to waste hours only to finish a glamour weapon.

Yep, that is exactly what it is there for, an achievement/ glam weapon. Does nothing as far as gating progress, there is i270 weapons for hand me gear. (and something easily to get before level 60) You do not need to nerf relics so bad it becomes hand me gear.

Umbrites/sands is 240 step, not 260. 260 is running HW content over and over to generate aethericdensity and power up your weapon to 270.

That is your view on what the title means "anima 260 condensation stage" is what is put in the title, going 240>260 is condensing to me:

Simple request: Can we have the anima 260 condensation stage nerfed for 4.06?

I'm not expecting much of course on this but does any of the mods know if theres any plans to reduce the amount of farming needed for this stage? Its ridiculously long for a weapon that is no longer Top of the line but you realistically cannot finish before hitting lvl70. I dont see why this should remain as it is till October possibly with 4.1 for something so tedious.

The only way you can gain items before lv 70, meaning the level before you can equip it, is collecting items for the relic, basically buying all the poetic items before you start (something the person I am posting for did in HW in fact, she got 2 relics in 4 days because she stored enough items prior of starting the quests for 2) So based on the weird wording of the title, and the fact asking for the ability to finish them BEFORE 70, means they where talking about the umbite/sand stage "condensation"

I ask everyone stop jumping on my back for reading a vague post differently then expected, even the 2.0 relics don't let you finish them or even start them? before 50 because it is actual farming, not item collecting. You need to actually be able to equip the weapon.

(from me)
If you do not even suggest how to change something, you can't blame people for saying no.

[Keoeson]

You have not justified the need to nerf them

Why would it need justification? We know it's coming!
The question is simply why not do it sooner rather than later.

[kikix12]

Everyone else understood the 260 condensation as the light farming. Maybe it's time to accept that you have no idea bout it and are just denying it as valid request for the sake of denying it...

As for the argument, it's very simple. It never was an "achievement". It was a "chore" meant to give the best weapon available for those that manage to finish it. But it no longer is the best weapon. The achievement was HAVING THE BEST WEAPON. Which it is not at all, not by far, anymore. Hence the "chore" part can very well be reduced to a reasonable stage.

There's also a very big reason for that, one that you achievement this, achievement that people seem to forget. There is a STORY to that weapon. Yes. At this point the weapon is irrelevant, but I know that at least for me, the STORY LINE of making that weapon is interesting. And this is an RPG game based around a story.

Why people need to waste hours upon hours to get a skin of a weapon, in order to get to read the story?! The reward is no longer valid. At all. There are MANY glamours for weapons, far more accessible and not inferior. But the story is unique to the relic. There no longer is any achievement to it anyway. Achievement was getting it when it was still relevant. Right now, people can solo stuff that is required for it without any difficulty. It's just grind. You don't hear people "Look at me! I'm so great! What an achievement! I reached lvl70!". Cause it's no achievement. It's going to happen so long as you spend enough time. Same here.

[Snow_Princess]

Why would it need justification? We know it's coming!
The question is simply why not do it sooner rather than later.

Why care then if you do not need it? i270 is hand to me gear so yeah you should have something to say why a nerf is needed for an achievement weapon

Everyone else understood the 260 condensation as the light farming. Maybe it's time to accept that you have no idea bout it and are just denying it as valid request for the sake of denying it...

As for the argument, it's very simple. It never was an "achievement". It was a "chore" meant to give the best weapon available for those that manage to finish it. But it no longer is the best weapon. The achievement was HAVING THE BEST WEAPON. Which it is not at all, not by far, anymore. Hence the "chore" part can very well be reduced to a reasonable stage.

There's also a very big reason for that, one that you achievement this, achievement that people seem to forget. There is a STORY to that weapon. Yes. At this point the weapon is irrelevant, but I know that at least for me, the STORY LINE of making that weapon is interesting. And this is an RPG game based around a story.

Why people need to waste hours upon hours to get a skin of a weapon, in order to get to read the story?! The reward is no longer valid. At all. There are MANY glamours for weapons, far more accessible and not inferior. But the story is unique to the relic. There no longer is any achievement to it anyway. Achievement was getting it when it was still relevant. Right now, people can solo stuff that is required for it without any difficulty. It's just grind. You don't hear people "Look at me! I'm so great! What an achievement! I reached lvl70!". Cause it's no achievement. It's going to happen so long as you spend enough time. Same here.

I like to see a poll on this, how many really play for story only vs progression. I do not know any. The closest I have is someone caring about the story sometimes when it gets interesting, otherwise it is skip skip skip.

[ManuelBravo]

Great idea, get other people to waste hours only to finish a glamour weapon.

Not their fault if you procrastinated, then again an FC should help each other right? maybe be pro active and request a weekly run?

Besides players who don't want to nerf relics are a pain to just read their complaints.
What kind of argument is that?

A realistic one. people who don't do the grind wouldn't understand.

And here you're wrong, because this isn't FFXI. Relics are only relevant during their expansion, SE is easing any previous content (i.e. XP bonus, echo), so the relic is no exception and asking to nerf the light step sooner rather than later is a legitimate request. Your argument is just irrelevant in the context of FFXIV.

Hmmm it's called a comparison to an actual Relic grind. If you can't even see the difference you wouldn't understand. All I said is ask. FFXIV is meant to be easier and it is.

Think of it this way;

People now a days want a trophy for just trying. Should we give a relic just for people trying to get one and still haven't?

First off, if your FC don't want to help you go solo and bare with it ITS CALL A GRIND FOR A REASON. Find something they will help you with, oh I don't know tanking perhaps? or are they all too much into accomplishing their own personal goals? Not their fault you wait for the last minute.

I know that life gets in the way, I work two jobs and go to school and was still I was able to get things done so put that card back in the deck if your thinking about using it. .

People who don't want to nerf relic actually paid their do's and hence is a pain that cupcake generations want it easy. It's all about priorities, the earlier you get to it when it comes out the easier it is. If anything players should blame themselves for procrastinating.

Yes FFXIV is meant to be easier in terms of long grinds but to complain about lights when they nerf other things that for some odd reason people still think it's hard to get ( sand / umbrite ) even though it never was IF they actually saw their options properly and weren't too lazy to level crafting, ask help for airship items from their FC who I'm sure supports them, they wouldn't be complaining in the first place.

If your not into relics or it's too hard then do raid weapons, if your not into raid weapons do EX weapons, if you still complain learn that life isn't that easy and try harder.

[Rokke]

I see them on Aether every now and then. Not sure how fast they fill up, but they are present from time to time.

They actually still fill up in a decent amount of time! One of my FC mates hosted one everyday for 3 days and finished their AST.


Personally I don't care if they nerf it sooner or later. Once they do, though, I'll probably start another

[YitharV2]

Its nothing about being handed something its about just being able to finish something off without having to spend ridiculous amounts of time to do so. The problem is the light stage takes ages to do far longer than whats needed for a weapon thats no longer BiS. Your comment is a bit ignorant anyways expecially since it misses the point entirely.

Yeah, having finished mine about 1-2 months before SB release, I would agree with a nerf considering the ridiculous amount of time it takes. It feels like the reason they don't nerf it is because it's a time sink. So if you want the glamour you have to put a lot of time in the game. More time in the game = more sub money.

[Avatre]

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Well, technically it is an achievement weapon since all the HW relics had a few achievements(well, 6 to be exact) attached to completing them.

However, if they nerfed the light needed, what is it to me? I don't care if people get it easier just so they can glam it. It's really no skin off my back if they do nerf it(eventually I will get the rest of them...but for now I'm content with having my PLD, DRG, DRK, BLM, and almost my AST - AST is on the light farm part now)

[kikix12]

I like to see a poll on this, how many really play for story only vs progression. I do not know any. The closest I have is someone caring about the story sometimes when it gets interesting, otherwise it is skip skip skip.

I play for fun. And both progression and story are part of that fun. I did a bunch of quests just for the story. Then there is stuff I did simply for progression. I only skip cutscenes, and only those that make others wait on me, so in dungeons. Ones I can watch at the inn.

I gave you a valid argument. It being only for "part of the community" (and seeing as there are so-called ROLE PLAYING SERVERS that are the fullest servers locked for that very reason...it's NOT that small a part) is in no way a valid argument.

I'd like you to give a valid argument, cause your "it's an achievement" is not valid, since you yourself invalidated it by saying that "if someone wants a ilvl270 weapon there there's <this and this>". And I gave further reasons to say why it no longer is an argument. Unless you somehow manage to invalidate those, good luck with that.

It's simple. It never was made as an "achievement", more of a milestone. It was made as the best weapon, and players always make an achievement out of the best weapons and armors in a game. Cause they're the best. Once they stop being the best however, to developers they are just "outdated gear", but due to sense of nostalgia, and often elitism, people don't want the outdated stuff to become more available, to the point of cussing at the developers when they make it easier to get saying that "they destroyed them".

Well, technically it is an achievement weapon since all the HW relics had a few achievements(well, 6 to be exact) attached to completing them.

You get an achievement for entering The Feast or Frontlines for the first time. How much of an achievement that is?! Those would be better called "milestones". But it is what it is.