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  1. #71
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    Avatre's Avatar
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    Avatre Drakone
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    Cactuar
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lelila38 View Post
    It depends on what class you're on and the potencies of your skills. On Blm, I typically start Aoe at 4+, you can do 3 but it's still not really worth it and might be faster to just kill them 1 by 1.
    I find 4+ is definitely that sweet spot for AoE. However, as a RDM, I find it needs to be more around the 6+.
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  2. #72
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    Yeol's Avatar
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    Dr Yeol
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lelila38 View Post
    It depends on what class you're on and the potencies of your skills. On Blm, I typically start Aoe at 4+, you can do 3 but it's still not really worth it and might be faster to just kill them 1 by 1.
    I agree, with BLM do single target on 3 mobs IF the other dps is also doing single target (Which is likely the type of dps you run into in DF).
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  3. #73
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    MADJAM's Avatar
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    Zirnblyssn Sterrskylt
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    Zalera
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by whiteblade89 View Post
    In ARR I was that player who never aoe'd because I was a dumb noob.
    Newbie: n. A n00b with a learning curve.

    whiteblade89: "In ARR I was that player who never aoe'd because I was a dumb newbie." **Fixed**
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    Last edited by MADJAM; 07-29-2017 at 01:22 AM. Reason: Fixing

  4. #74
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    paindax's Avatar
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    Gabrielle Leonhart
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    Adamantoise
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    Because I'm tired.
    Been playing since beta and mostly playing dps classes - I have been AoE spamming in dungeons for almost 4 years, at some point after SB came out, I just got tired of repeating the same pattern over and over and over. Sometimes, I just want to practice my single target rotations, etc.

    I think its super entitled thinking, that tanks expect dps to be of one mindset and do what's 'optimal' 100% of the time; that's what raids and EX primals are for, dungeons should be a way to relax imo and I should not be forced to play a certain way just because its faster.

    That being said, I do run BLM majority of the time and I got batshit with aoe, did a 7 minute run of Ala Migho the other day.

    Some days tho, I just want to play RDM and enjoy my single target stylish shenanigans.
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  5. #75
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    Subucnimorning's Avatar
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    Blue Lightt
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    Dragoon Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by paindax View Post
    I think its super entitled thinking, that tanks expect dps to be of one mindset and do what's 'optimal' 100% of the time; that's what raids and EX primals are for, dungeons should be a way to relax imo and I should not be forced to play a certain way just because its faster.

    Some days tho, I just want to play RDM and enjoy my single target stylish shenanigans.
    This post reeks of I don't give a crap about other people's time and I don't mind that I am making this take longer because it is all about me. Super entitled that your time is the only thing that matters
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  6. #76
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    MADJAM's Avatar
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    Zirnblyssn Sterrskylt
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    Zalera
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by whiteblade89 View Post
    [...]
    I enjoy helping new players as long as they're willing to be helped. Makes the game feel more rewarding. And knowing where I came from makes it easier to handle runs with players like that. My point in my post was that there will always be players who underperform for one reason or another. And while I don't always attempt to coach everyone, Im never the one to cause a fuss over it. I'm not mad at these players because I don't know their stories. I remember how I used to be. Everyone has to learn sometime. Doesn't mean that some runs don't make you wanna tear your hair out though lol as I said, I just laugh it off because it's a game.
    Become a Mentor already. The Community needs you.
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  7. #77
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    Gabrielle Leonhart
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    Adamantoise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Subucnimorning View Post
    This post reeks of I don't give a crap about other people's time and I don't mind that I am making this take longer because it is all about me. Super entitled that your time is the only thing that matters
    Not really, but nice try.
    I understand people have time constraints sometimes and such, I don't lack empathy. Hell, if the tank says "I'm on a time crunch" you bet I will aoe my fingers off.

    In the other hand, I also play this game for my enjoyment/fun, my way of relaxing after work and what-not. I am not having fun when spamming aoe the entire dungeon. (Unless I'm BLM and I purposedly queue as one 90% of the time still, to help clear faster.)
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  8. #78
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    Jafar Al'durah
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    Midgardsormr
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    Ninja Lv 70
    As a Nin main i make it a priority to spam AOE moves with anything numbering 3 or more mobs. Doton---> Kassatsu---katon---throw a few death blossoms in and a few basic attacks until Hell Frog medium comes up. Rinse and repeat.

    Out of all of that the only thing that could be potentially taxing on my TP is death blossom spam.

    Then again, it may not be so fun or easy for other DPS classes, so i dunno.
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  9. #79
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    Lynn Nuvestrahl
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    Moogle
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Avatre View Post
    I find 4+ is definitely that sweet spot for AoE. However, as a RDM, I find it needs to be more around the 6+.
    And how did you arrive at this 6+ number? Scatter is 100 potency, so at 3 enemies it's 300 per cast. Your other spells are 240-300.
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  10. #80
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    Scarlet Dawn
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    Lich
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kitfox View Post
    And how did you arrive at this 6+ number? Scatter is 100 potency, so at 3 enemies it's 300 per cast. Your other spells are 240-300.
    Yea but you not taking into account the single target rotations and Verflare or Verholy which would yield more dps then aoe spam. Also SE said they want us to stop doing big pulls, ever notice how the mobs hit alot harder now? Besides its quicker just pull small groups allow the healer to dps then pull massive groups and use weak potency aoe spam, not letting the healers dps at all.
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