RDM: Acceleration and Impact

[Kabooa]

blah blah math.

It does need to be changed. Because it is by far one of the most visually appealing spells in the Red Mage arsenal.

I agree with the math, but that Rose Flare beats out everything but VerHoly in visual quality. Hell, just swap the animation with VerFlare, problem solved.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

It's only pretty because you don't use it often, if we use it all the time it's gonna get as annoying as SAMs midare

[Kabooa]

It's only pretty because you don't use it often, if we use it all the time it's gonna get as annoying as SAMs midare

I don't use Verflare all that often either and it's ugly as sin.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

I don't use Verflare all that often either and it's ugly as sin.

That's not what I meant. It's like if you ate ice cream every day, you'd eventually hate it because you wouldn't have something different to compare it to

[Kabooa]

That's not what I meant. It's like if you ate ice cream every day, you'd eventually hate it because you wouldn't have something different to compare it to

See, I kind of agree with you. I mostly agree with your practical assessment of Impact too. But there's a large discrepancy between the place Impact holds, and the animation of the spell. Straight up, the spell animation being on what is effectively a filler spell is just a giant waste.

In every scenario when something else is available, Impact is avoided. There are only a few scant scenarios where Impact might be Impactful (heh) and most of them require the player screwing up several times in succession, while the rest are "I need to melee combo right the 1@#% now and there's no way the standard set up will give me what i need".


Literally no spell got me more hyped when watching the Red Mage trailer than this mysterious "Rose Flare". The visual, the typical 'Final Fantasy' boom delay before it explodes, the sound leading up to it.

In every shape and form, 'Flare Rose' is the definition of a penultimate spell animation. (there weren't enough angel wings to define "ultimate")

"Lol just kidding it's filler."

It's a small, insignificant detail to be harped upon, I know that.

But damn, does it ever feel bad watching Impact fall off because of RNG, because in most practical scenarios, it's a loss when Stone/Fire are readied.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

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Oh yeah no, I totally get that. Watching the trailer I thought, "oh my god, that's the most beautiful exploding energy rose I've ever seen." It is kind of disappointing it's just alternate filler, but as far as practical changes the skill concept is fine. The animation could definitely be tacked onto something more impressive though.

[Isrea]

Okay think of it like this, before you can cast Impact, you have a chance to go 100% (an outlier yes, but for the sake of argument) without procs meaning you would only be able to do 540 potency per 2 gcds instead of 570, over the course of a standard fight it's a substantial potency loss. Over the course of a minute it's about 360 or so potency. Impact means that for a minimum of 50% of the fight you get the extra 30 potency and 1 additional mana for each element (to a total of 8 mana generated vs the 9 from stone/fire). Meaning it's your damage insurance in the case that you're unlucky, reducing RDMs dependence on RNG up to that point. It's fine, doesn't need to be changed.

In terms of Impact's effect on dps numbers it doesn't need to be changed, but as it is right now it really should be a "your next Jolt II does 30 more potency" proc. In it's current iteration there are some niche reasons to cast Impact over a VerReady spell, but there is absolutely no reason to cast Jolt II over impact. If it were a random proc chance you'd have to react to it, if it were instant cast (but still proced dualcast) it could be worth holding on to for movement, if it gave some sort of buff it might be worth timing it for buff up time... As it is Impact adds no gameplay or meaningful decisions over it being a +30 potency proc or simply adding 15 base potency to Jolt II. It is the epitome of pointless button bloat.

[MelvinK]

What i think is impact could be very well be introduced as a high ceiling skill, where player ability to use the proc instead of wasting set themselves apart as better player. One of the way of doing this has to be by nerfing veraero/verthunder or even the verfire/verstone and add a more signficant buff attached to impact maybe next 10sec damage % increased or +50% to next spell potency. This will not be a popular move as im sure even my suggestion here will get bombarded by objections but this is the only way i see to make us want to cast impact while maintaing current DPS potential.

[PrismaticDaybreak]

suggestion

Okay... you don't nerf the core kit to improve the functionality of a simple filler replacement spell. @Isrea try casting Impact every time you don't have the both ready procs available, you'll use it every time and your mana won't become unbalanced and you might even get ahead of the predicted sword combo timer of about 40 seconds between combos (excluding scenarios where Manafication is available). Source: I do it myself and it's fairly effective and very few procs get wasted outside of unavoidable scenarios.

[Isrea]

Okay... you don't nerf the core kit to improve the functionality of a simple filler replacement spell. @Isrea try casting Impact every time you don't have the both ready procs available, you'll use it every time and your mana won't become unbalanced and you might even get ahead of the predicted sword combo timer of about 40 seconds between combos (excluding scenarios where Manafication is available). Source: I do it myself and it's fairly effective and very few procs get wasted outside of unavoidable scenarios.

I think you may have misread my post... I agree with you, there are times where it is worth casting Impact while you have a VerReady proc, that's not the problem. I'm saying that for Impact to be worth existing as a separate button/spell from Jolt II there needs to be some sort of situation where it is beneficial to cast Jolt II while you have an impact proc. As is, Impact is literally just an extra button for the sake having an extra button. Imagine if as a Paladin, after every combo where you start with Fast Blade you could start you next combo with Quick Blade or something and do the exact same combo for a little more potency... it would be the same thing as Impact is now. Completely pointless.