how does it feel to be rejected in raid party?

[Jilliebeans]

yes am talking about you "Machinist"...

"MCH dps isnt great"
"We prefer BRD"
"sorry, cant tag you along because we already have a BRD"
"SPOT is taken by a BRD sorry"

should i rant some more? >.>

[Pence]

I mean....if the ranged slot is taken by a Bard then it's reasonable. I find an issue is that the MCH playerbase is extremely small right now, and an even smaller percentage of that can actually dish out savage acceptable damage. When the majority of MCHs people experience aren't up to the challenge they're going to be hesitant, then add in the fact that MCH is in an absolutely terrible state right now compared to Bard.....

All you can really do is keep trying, and maybe ask them to give you an opportunity to prove yourself? There's no harm in them seeing what you have to offer. It sucks, but it's all we've really got until SE attempts to buff us again....

[loreleidiangelo]

I'm gonna be frank - unless O4S is some kind of monster, our group has yet to meet any DPS check in Omega Savage that has been problematic for our group, and we have a MCH instead of a BRD. That's not to say the job doesn't need tweaks, but it's the same with SMN really - if your group is failing DPS checks on the first two raid floors, the problem isn't likely just the SMN/MCH, it's all the DPS in your group.

A more realistic issue is that BRD brings higher numbers than MCH AND a boatload of support buffs too. A thirty-second magical or physical defense buff every three minutes? A free single-target Largesse for one of your tanks? A constant rolling 2% crit buff? A straight-up 3% group-wise damage increase in Foe Requiem? Yeah, those are pretty solid tools to have, and Hypercharge may not be enough in comparison.

[Angry_Evil]

Waited like a couple of hours with open MCH slot for o3s weekly kill(granted all other slots were open except casters), no MCH joined... Actually nobody joined so we just took bonus nin lol...
But pretty much if I get MCH in the party I expect subpar dps even lower than what I would except from a smn(despite me doing pretty ok-ish).
Also in pf I saw all kinds of parties for savages with slots open for everybody - smn\mch\blms\whatever without much "meta comp" memes.(EU data center).
What I see from fflogs about DPS shows that it's pretty much up to player skills. Every job can do around 4k which is enough to clear any Omega savages easily. Even like 3.7-3.8k should be enough.

[MomoOG]

Again people are only comparing MCH to BRD thinking that some how "physical ranged dps" is some sort of unique position that one can only replace one with the other. Right now if there is no BRD around, it is better to take any other DPS class over MCH (except maybe SMN) if you want to maximize your dps. Yes, this accounts for MCH utility.

[Lastelli]

yes am talking about you "Machinist"...

should i rant some more? >.>

That's not the problem...really. If you want to raid as MCH, you can and you should. DPS is not very important in omega, and any party that refuses a MCH is probably bad anyway so it's better if you stay away from it. Also, this game allows you to quickly level other jobs. MCH can just switch to brd if they're not satisfied with the current MCH, or any other job. The only problem is that MCH right now is noticeably weaker than brd. It's only a matter of job balance, there's no content that can't be cleared with a MCH in your party. But because job balance is important in a game like this, there aren't many players that want to play mch. There are very few players that will stick with a job because they enjoy it even if that job is clearly underpowered. Some probably feel like a burden and switched to brd just to feel useful again. It doesn't help that mch was a overpowered abomination for the last part of hw. Just like SCH. We have 2 jobs that went from being stupidly op to being the worst among their peers, the outrage was to be expected.

[NightFire19]

O4S is a monster, the first phase is basically a giant DPS check.

[Genoreaper]

Nobody wants the blm, they all want red

[FateAudax]

Have you ever thought that those Bards were once Machinist too? but had to play Bard because... I'll leave it at there.

[Anienai]

yes am talking about you "Machinist"...

"MCH dps isnt great"
"We prefer BRD"
"sorry, cant tag you along because we already have a BRD"
"SPOT is taken by a BRD sorry"

should i rant some more? >.>

/femroe e-hug