Lack of FF8

[Ametrine]

Sigh, probably unpopular opinion but can we please get more original ff14 content instead of making it a "previous games fanservice the MMO". I'm not against callbacks and cameos but we have a full raid of those now.

I've see this opinion more than once from players who have come into FF as a series through XIV, and it's actually a trait of Final Fantasy as a series to pepper these callbacks, cameos, references, and such from older games.

Each numbered entry is it's own beast, but the continued stream of tropes and references is the biggest key that ties them all into the series. It's everything from Chocobo's to guys namee Cid, the job system to rehashed bosses and zones.

That's part of what makes Final Fantasy a series.



Also, why would the whole call-back thing be an issue when it fills old fans with happy nostalgia, but is brand new content to you?

[Wizhard]

Also, why would the whole call-back thing be an issue when it fills old fans with happy nostalgia, but is brand new content to you?

Bosses in Omega have no backstory, they are literally there as fanservice(im fighting a colorful set of armor that also transforms into a wooden dildo and his name is ex-death? o_0). Compare that to Bahamut and Coils, which had a rich backtory and were integral to the world. Hell even Alexander was a part of the world.

And what exactly is wrong with being original? The original Final Fantasies were, so why cant this one?(and we know it can because of aforementioned Coils)

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Let's just guess from the final dungeon... Krysta, Trauma, Grevier, and Ultimecia, with Ultimecia's final form saved for savage?

Just imagine for a second, the next raid being based in Ultemica Castle. The castle theme song playing in the HUB, and FF8 boss music playing for encounters.
And then Ultimecia. Perhaps herself as a first phase boss, then herself and Griver junctioned. And then her true form for savage.

I could die.

To be more realistic though, all the bosses probably won't be based in Ultemica Castle. We could probably get Doomtrain..............

[Raikai]

honestly I really think 5.0 will have more references to FF8 in Garlemald.

I say that because it's probably very advanced in technology and architecture, so it might feel like FF8's setting.

[Ametrine]

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But even then, Bahamut, this super dragon, is a call back. The boss on T12 is a call-back. Alexander is a call-back. All 3 are old summons/bosses. Alex was an actual fortress in FFIX.

Omega being the one thing that can stop Shinryu? Call-back, but the lore and how these two played/are playing out is unique to FFXIV.

But you point out how it works with callbacks in FF. They take this farmilar thing from previous game, and write a new scenario around it.

I will concede and agree that the use of the bosses of FFV just being there in Deltascape can be a issue from a story telling stand point, as without the nostalgia, you just see a boss..... BUT they aren't the first examples of bosses of old games just peeking in for a hint of nostalgia before peacing out.

That ranges from Cruise Chaser basically being FFIX'S hidden summon, Ark, to that boss in Ala Mhigo being similar in design to FFVII's opening fight.

Then there's shit like gunblades.


It's all over the place, but it's a legit critique that Omega's story just isn't there verses Coil or even Alex.

[Jynxx]

Eww, no. The FF brand is what makes this game what it is. This is like asking Marvel to produce a weekly television show set in their superhero universe without any superheroes in it. Who would watch that crap? Obviously, no one.

LOL @ Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. poke, but to be fair, they have had superheroes/villians in their shows the last 2 or so seasons.

[Core1019]

Since no-one's said it yet, I'll post what will be the most unpopular opinion here.

VIII was shit. Better for them to work around it rather than add more from it.

[Gunspec]

We had Tonberry King, Siren, and Diablos as dungeon bosses all in a row. (2.0, 2.1, 2.2) I kind of thought that was our FF8 reference for a while. I was a little surprised they didn't continue throughout the 2.x dungeon series, but whatever.

[Ametrine]

LOL

Look ya'll, bait.
I like how you feel like slinging hate is a requirement when FFVIII comes into conversation, lol.


Actually on topic, I'm curious if it would be preferable for Greiver and "Maybe I'm a Lion" remade, or Ultimecia and "The Extreme" remade?

Greiver in turn 7, Ultimecia going all Extreme in the Savage version??

[Gunspec]

Since no-one's said it yet, I'll post what will be the most unpopular opinion here.

VIII was shit. Better for them to work around it rather than add more from it.

While I like many things from 8, I'll admit magic draw was a terrible idea, since using spell stock lowered your stats, and the constant micro-managment was terrible.

Huh... actually, magic draw might make an interesting take on "blue mage" for FF8. Give each enemy category a spell flavor, and make the effects mimic the monster drawn upon. Maybe too similar to the current Red Mage, though.