CNJ = WHM and THM = BLM

[AmyRae]

No, but Black Magic has always been linked to death and doom type spells, which is why they're always referred to as 'Dark Arts'. It wasn't always in the player's hands, but story wise, it's always a type of sorcerer/sorceress that was modeled after the typical Black Mage, which in generalized terms, they deal in dark arts and not so much as light arts (curative magic.)

This is why in job based FFs that followed a story Dark Knights and Black Mages were always the more feared. Even though comparatively speaking Blue Mage's fell magic is even darker than black magic, it's hard to deny that Black Mage is linked to Death.

Necromancy is another art that's more heavily linked to Death than Black Magic is, if you're taking the 'Death' thing literally.

Actually, Doom spells are more often associated with Blue Magic than Black in Final Fantasy lore, according to the guys at the Final Fantasy wiki who religiously track this sort of thing.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Doom_%28Status%29

Also, I'd like to point out that Thaumaturges have no death or doom spells. Just saying.

[Renshi]

Maaaan... Learn to read god damnit!

http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/#/game...rysystem/magic

[Claire_Pendragon]

Back in the OLD days, when THM could AoE heal, and did less dmg than CNJ, while groups prefered THM healers...
AND how Tanaka originally designed that BLM AF armor to go to CNJ... it's only understandable people would assume Yoshida woulda kept the same AF with the same class. And in turn, same Job with those classes.

The ONLY reason people really think of THM as the DD, and maybe even Yoshida (before THM was raised in DD stats) was because it had debuffs, to equal out CNJs buff.
EDIT: I should have explained this is merely an opinion, and might not have had any influence on peoples'/yoshida's opinion of the matter.


A decision that could have gone Either way.

In all honesty, if THM had gotten the buffs, I think even Yoshida woulda made THM into WHM.

Over all, CNJ was originally intended to be a Wizard like class, and THM was meant to be the Cleric of the game.

Enough people in this thread have said these things to some degree, but I'll say it again, As I still see people arguing over this.

Yes it was Stupid of SE, and yes it was obvious THM was getting BLM. (anyone who didn't see it coming after the updates, were in denial.)

Both classes were intended to heal and DD.
You can find reasons why both have heals or damage, or stories of either.
BECAUSE THEY WERE MEANT TO HAVE BOTH.

[Coglin]

Claire Pendragon, you are being fairly presumptious to tell us what the devs "intended" CoN and THM to be. Which foolishly assuming things like that is what got everyone flustered and excited in the first place.

Secondly, I feel your assumtion are off base and incorrect.

[Coglin]

[Comment deleted by Moderator] Death does not relate to BLM lore, and in fact would relate more to the aspect of WHM lore, obviously.. Terrifying destruction?... Really?... You are using an analogy that can be used to describe practically any high damage dealing class/mob/npc to prove your "point" now?.. OK.

I dunno, But he may twist it all he likes. He will have difficult time convincing anyone that "death" and "terrifying destrction" are unbecomming of a black mage. I think the general population would agree that those two terms define a black mage rather accurately.

I never said that... and as this clearly shows you don't read, don't worry, I won't wasting anymore of my time or yours replying to your opinions in this particular thread.

So yes, you did say that. You were very specific and difinitive about it.

[Claire_Pendragon]

Claire Pendragon, you are being fairly presumptious to tell us what the devs "intended" CoN and THM to be. Which foolishly assuming things like that is what got everyone flustered and excited in the first place.

Secondly, I feel your assumtion are off base and incorrect.

Well, Not that you are wrong, but why would you assume the answer I gave is wrong?
Putting myself in their shoes, this seems most logical.
If I am missing anything, please explain.

[Answa]

Well, Not that you are wrong, but why would you assume the answer I gave is wrong?
Putting myself in their shoes, this seems most logical.
If I am missing anything, please explain.

Ignore him. He looooves to think everyone wants to fight with him.

[Coglin]

Well, Not that you are wrong, but why would you assume the answer I gave is wrong?
Putting myself in their shoes, this seems most logical.
If I am missing anything, please explain.

I never said I "assume" the answer you gave is wrong, I said I feel it is off base. Mostly because I personally feel they did not intend THM to be played so strongly as a healer, but mainly I don't feel they gave CON shell/protect/cure, with intentions for it to be wizardly. Just my personal opinion. Its all just conjecture either way though.

My point in general though was that people made assumptions similar to yours, and clung to them so hard, that they seem heartbroken enough on the issue to argue for days that they were justified in there incorrect assumptions.

[Firon]

AND how Tanaka originally designed that BLM AF armor to go to CNJ... it's only understandable people would assume Yoshida woulda kept the same AF with the same class. And in turn, same Job with those classes.

Tanka never had any Af planed for CON nor any jobs, CON was gonna be the same con you have now, that is why the game was in the state it was. Also Yoshi -P and the new team if you can call it that made the BLM armor.

[Jennestia]

Tanka never had any Af planed for CON nor any jobs, CON was gonna be the same con you have now, that is why the game was in the state it was. Also Yoshi -P and the new team if you can call it that made the BLM armor.

Pretty much, since according to many, FFXI is the devil which is why Tanaka originally tried to make XIV as different from XI (or any FF) as possible, this includes not making "AF gear" and even then, under the original system people would be able to wear 'BLM AF' as a Maurader -- You'd have no benefit but you'd be able to wear it.