CNJ = WHM and THM = BLM

[Coglin]

BLM is gonna be so gimp if it's full fledged DD

I am curious to read the logic behind your assumption ?

[Jennestia]

Odd, I thought the high damage dealing mage class of terrifying destruction, out of the only two mage classes would be a no brainer for BLM.

To add though, I am curious why your so mad about this information, you have niether CON or THM past level 12, it appears you don't even have a dog in this fight.

I just figured he was sarcastic, since Black Mage lore in most games is it's one of the darkest and deadliest form of direct magic casting even to the point they can cast doom on their enemies and allies if they so wished.

[Exn]

Odd, I thought the high damage dealing mage class of terrifying destruction, out of the only two mage classes would be a no brainer for BLM.

To add though, I am curious why your so mad about this information, you have niether CON or THM past level 12, it appears you don't even have a dog in this fight.

I already answered that question that last time you tried that.. Even gave you the name of one of my mains..
Actually reading what people post, rather than just rambling off your own opinionated nonsense, might help.. some.

[Betelgeuzah]

I am curious to read the logic behind your assumption ?

When has it ever not been gimp? This game plays largely like XI already.

[Jennestia]

When has it ever not been gimp? This game plays largely like XI already.

I don't know, BLM is pretty damn powerful with affinity staffs in XI. The only way they've been gimped is they could never attack frontlines as well as other jobs in later games.

[Exn]

I just figured he was sarcastic, since Black Mage lore in most games is it's one of the darkest and deadliest form of direct magic casting even to the point they can cast doom on their enemies and allies if they so wished.

The two spells death and doom which were sometimes associated with BLM never defined the lore of the class. I'm rather surprised you of all people would come on here and try to claim that..

Btw For Coglin: (look to your left..)

[Betelgeuzah]

I don't know, BLM is pretty damn powerful with affinity staffs in XI. The only way they've been gimped is they could never attack frontlines as well as other jobs in later games.

I guess they could become relevant if monsters can't be melee burned but in this game melee are effective. Also BLM even now is underused so why would it suddenly become relevant?

[Jennestia]

The two spells death and doom which were sometimes associated with BLM never defined the lore of the class. I'm rather surprised you of all people would come on here and try to claim that..

No, but Black Magic has always been linked to death and doom type spells, which is why they're always referred to as 'Dark Arts'. It wasn't always in the player's hands, but story wise, it's always a type of sorcerer/sorceress that was modeled after the typical Black Mage, which in generalized terms, they deal in dark arts and not so much as light arts (curative magic.)

This is why in job based FFs that followed a story Dark Knights and Black Mages were always the more feared. Even though comparatively speaking Blue Mage's fell magic is even darker than black magic, it's hard to deny that Black Mage is linked to Death.

Necromancy is another art that's more heavily linked to Death than Black Magic is, if you're taking the 'Death' thing literally.

[Coglin]

I dunno, But he may twist it all he likes. He will have difficult time convincing anyone that "death" and "terrifying destrction" are unbecomming of a black mage. I think the general population would agree that those two terms define a black mage rather accurately.

[Exni]

No, but Black Magic has always been linked to death and doom type spells, which is why they're always referred to as 'Dark Arts'. It wasn't always in the player's hands, but story wise, it's always a type of sorcerer/sorceress that was modeled after the typical Black Mage, which in generalized terms, they deal in dark arts and not so much as light arts (curative magic.)

This is why in job based FFs that followed a story Dark Knights and Black Mages were always the more feared. Even though comparatively speaking Blue Mage's fell magic is even darker than black magic, it's hard to deny that Black Mage is linked to Death.

Necromancy is another art that's more heavily linked to Death than Black Magic is, if you're taking the 'Death' thing literally.

Aye, black magic in the traditional sense is linked to death and doom, but I was only arguing that FF BLM lore in not defined by death. It is, however, inspired and defined by the elements.

THM lore, to me, has always felt like it is inspired by necromancy, which like you said relates directly to death. Necromany is about exploiting the inverse relationship of life/death by reanimation and etc. If even by a small stretch, necromancy, again... to me, seems more closely related to WHM lore, than trying to stretch it all the way into FF's elemental based BLMs.